I'd like to see us leave,  There are a number of reasons why, but we wont leave as the Establishment will make sure we stay in, in order to continue to receive vast subsidies for land ownership the amounts received are based on acreage only. which is as follows for 2011. These figures from a freedom of information source

 

Revealed: what we paid out in 2011 to the landowners of the United Kingdom

 

The system of payments which includes the above equates to £245 per average household in the UK.

I have a friend who is a farmer, he owns several properties as well as a huge farm and he had to cancel an appointment with me in order to meet government officials at the farm because in his words "they want to give me £200,000" this was because he owned land, he doesn't need it but he took it any way...... He's voting to stay in, I wonder why.

The whole set up is perverse in my opinion and the junkets going on in Brussels leaves the British MP's scandal look like chicken feed.

Looks as though the UK taxpayers are also keeping the landed gentry's benefits topped up.

Let's look at Switzerland.

Together with Norway, Russia, Monaco, Croatia, and Ukraine among others, Switzerland is one of the many European countries which are not members of EU.


Another concern that restricts Switzerland from becoming a member of EU is its strict management of immigration. The Swiss were afraid that with the open door policy provided under the boundaries of EU, it may then bring about an overwhelming flow of European migrants coming to Switzerland looking for work in which the Swiss are not in favour of.


Switzerland prided itself for being able to support its farmers which are in contradiction to the no border and free import policies of EU. The Swiss are concerned that joining EU may endanger the livelihood of its farmers especially if they will not be able to compete with the cheaper priced products that are imported from other EU countries.


I'm still not convinced that we should continue to participate in the failed EU project.
Too many politicians are still in denial.

I will likely vote to leave. The sheer hypocrisy that is being rammed down our throat that we are 'more secure' in it is an insult to mine and millions of others intelligence. While we do get some money back from the £38m a day, the cuts to the elderly needing care, continued attack on disabled people is sickening as we have to start looking after our own.

What does concern me is this country as years go by have less and less to sell, we are a small island with relatively poor resources and if we do leave we have to nail those trade agreements and quickly. For me its not about the economic migrants, if they have something to offer then let them - its about - as stated above - propping up the poorer nations of Europe which we are clearly doing both officially but also via the back door with people sending payments home. This has to stop.

This sounds really trivial, but I'm also interested in the impacts it will have on football. The FA are powerless at the minute from allowing the english game being flooded with bog standard average European players due to labour movement, this is having a massive impact on our own youngsters from not only breaking in but continuing beyond the U21 black hole. Take Grant Ward for example, a perfectly acceptable player to grace the bottom half championship clubs for years to come. When he goes back to Spurs he'll melt away into oblivion, unless someone snaps him up pretty quickly. It is trivial but for me being a youth coach and masterminding a change of career into coaching - its big personally. Vote leave and the FA will have more power to act on European players entering the english game.

Its a big decision though as our choice will affect our children / grandchildren probably more than us and there's too much crystal ball and political agenda going on. What is clear is that we're taking a gamble, but is that worse than the laughable 'deal' Cameron spent months sweet talking his Euro partners over?

Heres a link to a few facts which dont exactly check out with what the £9,000,000 pro EU leaflet has been saying:

speakout.38degrees.org.uk/campaigns/the-government-s-eu-leaflet-fact-check-video

I think a lot of very questionable information has been presented nationally on both sides as 'fact'. I also think we can also agree that Camerons 'deal' was a joke. The truth is that nobody can predict with any real certainty what will happen if we exit. That is one of the problems with exiting. Financial markets don't like uncertainty, and as we know to all our costs the financial markets have a very real impact on our well being. I see all the arguments made including on here, and I re-examine my own position, but I still can not understand why as a waning world power we would choose to isolate ourselves from our economic and geographic neighbours in a world that is getting smaller and smaller as time goes by. The same game is going to go on all around us and is going to have a real impact on us whether we like it or not, so why not have the greatest possible say in what the rules are going to be? I am beginning to think that the vote will be won by the leave campaign and I really do think that would be a mistake.

It is right there is a focus on the financial, but Vote Leave is a vote for other things too just as important. Remain have only one argument based on finance. This basis of security is based on now and the near future though. There is just as much uncertainty with Remain in an ever closer union and the impact of propping up poorer nations plus the inclusion of Turkey & Ukraine. If we Remain we will be powerless but to bow down and SUMO (shut up and move on). I will vote Leave - the question people need to ask themselves if undecided is this. 'If we weren't in the EU right now would you vote to join it' I'm sure many wouldn't.

Im an in vote, I like the power and strength in numbers. Can you imagine one Asda supermarket going it alone and having to renegotiate with its suppliers (5-10 years with Usa alone if you believe Obama). Having to have export licenses for every product to other European countries. Yes we do pay a great deal in but the schools and road structure in and around Rotherham have been greatly improved with EU money, there has been a great deal done in this area being a poorer area with EU money people just don't realise it. I like being a Yorkshire man I don't need to leave England, I like being an English man I don't need to leave the EU.

I cant see the either/or logic about the trade situation.

Of course every country on earth will be falling over themselves to trade with the 5th biggest economy and a nation of 60 million consumers.

Its too black and white is all this. No one will turn down our money indeed everyone wants it. All the nations of the world manage on all manner of trade deals and set ups that are constantly renegotiated. I think Obama and the others promoting the in point of view do lend themselves to extreme logic. The UK has enormous wealth and business know how and being in the EU wont alter that. Many companies trade outside of the EU and would continue to do so and the story is no different inside. Of course it would be done differently but I cant believe for a moment people would turn down a good deal.

My main issue that clinches it for me is about the federalism and the way this infects not just the UK but all parts of a diverse Europe. The bureaucrats always take over and squash any dissent, or expression of difference. The EU is inherently corrupt and uncontrollable and this make it dangerous and not harmonious. Just look what is happening in the east of Europe. It is hardly any more stable or more peaceable because of European expansion. It seems to me that we are drifting into an extreme ideological super state and that is very bad news for the individual. The further away from influence we are from that which we are best placed to know about is not something I would ever give over to another.

One clincher for me was when I came across excerpts of Nigel Farage in the European sessions. The quality of debate was frightful and the answers and lack of democratic process is scandalous. Seriously, before I saw that I was undecided. After viewing many of them on youtube, and then listening to both sides it has become increasingly difficult to be swayed by all the labelling the pro movement throws out.

Thats where Im at anyway