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We are top of the league. We are miles clear of the likes of Wednesday, Sunderland. Bolton, Charlton, Portsmouth and Ipswich. We are at Wembley again in a couple of weeks time in a cup final. We beat a Lincoln team last night who are no mugs, having hammered Wednesday week or so ago. We are clearly suffering with injuries at the moment and it's obvious that we have players who are having to play when they are nowhere near full fitness. And yet we had a situation last night when the manager had to rouse the supporters to get behind the team and if you look on social media you've got people who dont know the full picture moaning about selections and substitutions and constantly questioning the mentality of a group that has lost six out of thirty eight league games. Honestly its embarrassing.

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It amazes me how poor some of our support is. For a start, there were lots of empty seats last night - what's it going to take to attract greater support?! People leaving before the end has always intrigued me. Surely last night gave every reason to stay till the final whistle. I reckon the greatest excitement at NYS has been in the last 5 minutes of games. Finally the atmosphere. It's questionable whether tension on the field fuels anxiety in the crowd or vice versa. But when you see the contribution crowds at places such as Accrington and Palace make to encourage their team, it's such a pity that we can't replicate that effort at NYS.

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The product ie the football is good. We are an attack minded team. Our home record is excellent. The stadium is still fantastic. We sit top of league one with a real chance of winning it for the first time in about forty years. So I agree with you Glenn, the attendances and general level of support are disappointing. Perhaps some people are still a bit reluctant about returning to big crowd events. I dont know. My best guess is just that we have been spoiled a bit and expectation levels are too high. There are plenty of supporters who now think that anything less than being half way up the Championship is failure, and who can't be bothered to make yet another trip to Wembley. Which is incredible given some of the very many lean years we have had in our history. I'd like to see more creative ticket pricing and maybe they could look at the matchday experience and revamp it. Some of it is a bit tired and the so called fan zone is really poor - many clubs do it a lot lot better - but I'm afraid it is an age old problem how to get the good people of Rotherham behind the club. I'm sure it's a constant disappointment to Tony Stewart.

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I think your final sentence is a key statement Smiler. TS has developed an institution in Rotherham which is a shining beacon compared to the general dismal surroundings and the poor image of the town that hangs over us like a dark cloud. He's assembled a management team which is focussed on being a great example to the local community and which have strived to make the club a family affair. His efforts are something which should be embraced by the Rotherham public and there should be enormous enthusiasm to see his ethos not only survive, but to thrive. Yet there seems little reciprocation from locals.

The danger is that either TS or PW, or both, will decide that the sacrifices they are making (have you seen how Warney has aged!) are just not worth it and they'd be better plying their wares elsewhere. That would be a grim day for Rotherham!

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Some good points there Smiler about pricing and matchday experience.

For me every empty seat this season (and any other succesful one) is a missed opportunity to attract a young person who might be a supporter of tomorrow. When i was 10/11 i joined a junior millers fanclub that met every week in the social club down millmoor lane. Attendees got the opportunity of a drawing of names to be mascot. I won the jackpot (the owls at home) and never looked back and the club has had years from me in return. I’m not saying bring that back but would like us to do more (than kids for a quid twice a year) to attract the young. Maybe have free school trips or something.

Regarding the moaners, its a debate that will have been had many a time. I think the internet has given it a voice, when in the past it might have been the odd letter in the green un or a caller to praise and grumble. I think the message boards have become a form of fifa where wannabe managers spout their tactics and secretly hope the team lose when we dont play those, as being proved right is more to them than being a winning team. I guess the young me might have being doing the same but i grew up and its obvious many of our number havent.
I’m not one who says dont criticise, i think there are discussions to be had about team sheets and tactics but the overall negativity and abuse to this remarkable team is hard to read.

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There's no doubt the club has a small core of hardened and devoted supporters. The faithful 3000 as they were known in the past. We may have a few more these days but I wouldn't think there are that many more true diehards. It's a conundrum as to why, (despite having a top class stadium and a levelheaded and astute chairman, and currently top of the league having a record breaking unbeaten run) the club is just not increasing It's gate to any significant extent. There is of course the usual point that a large number of football supporting Rotherham people support other clubs, the main being Wednesdayites. When I was at school in Kimberworth in the late 60's my class was full of them and I understand they meet up in The Green Dragon these days. My son lives in Wickersley and he tells me Wickersley is heaving with the sons of the blue and white. I doubt all of that will never change. The other point is the Rotherham mind set. There is a cynicism with regards to the town's club, a view of 'we've seen it all before', a notion that the club promises much but delivers little. I saw the beginnings of this way back at the end of the Anton Johnson period, after the Lord Mayor's show. Two fantastic seasons then back down into the 3rd division with dwindling crowds. Since then we've been up and down like a brides nighty. There is a growing number who, despite any amount of on field success, are waiting for the fall and will, with sneering glee take delight in saying 'I told you so'. I do understand, to an extent, that sentiment as there is some truth in that notion, look at the last five years. I don't say that as a justification, but I do believe it to be true. The current blip in form and results, in my opinion indicates this thesis. I think a high profile marketing strategy would be a start. An attractive pricing policy and promotion this season would help. but I wouldn't expect to see any upturn in regular gate receipts until we get a strong foothole in the Championship which may take a number of years, if at all. A bit of a glum outlook I'm afraid but I believe the problem is so ingrained in those potential 'supporters' that I think it will take more than promotion, even if we go up as Champions, to get the faithful core up to anywhere near enough to help sustain the club in the Championship.

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Lots of very valid points. I dont think the football side of it could be any better but how to push on and develop the fan base or increase revenue is a conundrum. Looking at the fan zone stuff, we have Miller Bear with his drum, a van with a drop down side that pumps music out (I've never seen more than half a dozen people there) and the youngsters waving flags as the players come out. It's something, but it feels a bit lame. I've been to lots of away grounds where it's done so much better. Marquees with tables set out, big screens up, live entertainment, interactive games etc. The inside of our stadium is great but the surround is hardly used at all. It's essentially just a concourse. I wonder whether they could do more to enhance the whole experience. I do think that the long delayed plans to develop Guest and Chrimes might help too, both in terms of generating revenue for the club and improving the environment. The point really is that we arent likely to be more competitive on the field (I'm thinking Championship now without getting ahead of myself) without the extra money to buy and pay better players, and there doesnt seem to be much scope short term to add many more bums on seats. On ticketing I couldnt agree more about wasted seats being wasted opportunities. I've said it before that I think we do not of things very well as a club but I sometimes think we could be a bit more creative and forward thinking with our marketing and branding.

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Couple of quick comments. The marketing of our club seems 100% to be directed at the corporate opportunities and ignores the general public. Secondly the ground is not big enough to attract casual(potential) support. You can argue we can't fill what we have but i'll give you an example of lost business. On repeated occasions my neighbour and his brother have tried to get tickets for themselves and 4 kids and,because of the scattering of season ticket holders,they can never get seats together and have given up trying.Multiply this by how many times ? If we do go up there are many reasons for getting the ground extended close season.

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Build it and they will come Field of Dreams was obviously not set in Rotherham

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