Heres a general observation. Whenever we dont win very many supporters (whether FA qualified at Clifton Park or qualified in FA) armed with hindsight become tactical geniuses. People love to explain why the manager messed it up and they are all convinced that they absolutely know what he should have done differently. Opinions are of course all valid, but so many opinions these days are advanced with absolute conviction, as if it's a given that the poster definitely knows more than the manager and coach who are actually qualified and work with the players every day. Being a football manager must be one of the few professions in which lay people claim on a regular basis to know more than qualified experts. Do any of us, for example, go on social media to tell the pilot what he did wrong after a bumpy flight? Its entertaining on a certain level but it should never be taken too seriously.
As for Derbys latest dig at me, if I thought the manager got it wrong I would say what I thought. But I cant see that he did much if anything wrong today. We smashed Crewe but some of his senior players made errors that they themselves will be very disappointed with, so we only got a point. I dont think there is too much more to it than that.
-- Edited by smiler on Saturday 25th of September 2021 09:41:30 PM
You did not have to be a FA coach to see that Wiles was suffering from a dead leg and had lost his mobility. The extra pressure that put the other two midfield players under led them to run out of steam in the last ten minutes. When you have a player of the quality of Lindsay on the bench and not use him in that situation is poor. The decision to replace Grigg was preplanned and ultimately wrong (opinion not fact).
I am never going to get personal but having played and watch football for 65years I feel that my experience is relevant and if I having watched what was a decent performance i do not point out obvious deficiencies I might as well buy another pair of rose tinted glasses.
I just listened to 3 minutes post match from PW, and I'm glad he recognised he needed to make a central change but felt he'd played his cards already . As we all have said the forward play is very, very good most of the time. The defence is compromised however if its not protected at all times by that central 3. The overlaps and gaps that put pressure on a backpeddling defence seem to come from continuing too wide when the opposition load the central areas as they did v fleetwood and today when they have to chase a game.
Granted that with 352 it is not easy to adjust late on in a game when you already made 2 subs, only one forced. In some respects PW can be praised for continuing to put pressure on and ferguson and his crosses looked excellent from my end of the ground. Its also true that barlasars corners and general balls into the box were of a high calibre . However, there is something about correctly playing percentages when you're in front and I think we showed our hand too early. We were excellent in defence last week because we dropped deep; lyndsey replaced barlasar and Harding cane on at half time in his natural right back position replacing ogbene. PW, decided because we were on the front foot to press home the beechead we had won. However, we got exposed this time as we overcomitted and couldn't counter their changes. That is definitely a weakness in our coaching team. They are great planning attack, pressing and trying to win 2nd and 3rd phases but they are neglecting the defensive arts. It is difficult to be good at both no matter the level or quality of players you have but it does continue to be something we need to improve
-- Edited by ian on Saturday 25th of September 2021 10:03:34 PM
Bit of perspective needed we are 5th in the table yes we should have won today and yes we have dropped points but ALL the teams are the top 2 are Sunderland and Wigan Plymouth also up there who we comfortably beat on opening day
Today yes frustrating Warne is sometimes his own worst enemy repeating the same mistakes BUT we are creating chances and are still improving and it’s surely only a matter of time before the goals start flowing
You did not have to be a FA coach to see that Wiles was suffering from a dead leg and had lost his mobility. The extra pressure that put the other two midfield players under led them to run out of steam in the last ten minutes. When you have a player of the quality of Lindsay on the bench and not use him in that situation is poor. The decision to replace Grigg was preplanned and ultimately wrong (opinion not fact).
I am never going to get personal but having played and watch football for 65years I feel that my experience is relevant and if I having watched what was a decent performance i do not point out obvious deficiencies I might as well buy another pair of rose tinted glasses.
Just as an aside, and since it's the anniversary of perhaps our greatest day , did you see both legs ? What do you remember? Who were your hero's back then ? How did we play and what made the difference to the villa victory?
-- Edited by ian on Saturday 25th of September 2021 10:31:56 PM
"Grigg will not break sweat" is a quote from a respected Sunderland fan i know. Could put up with that if he converted or got on the end of numerous chances he gets. Would have expected Scott to have found someone better and cheaper.
"Grigg will not break sweat" is a quote from a respected Sunderland fan i know. Could put up with that if he converted or got on the end of numerous chances he gets. Would have expected Scott to have found someone better and cheaper.
Interesting . I thought he has worked hard in all the games I've seen him. He looks like an intelligent forward too. He knows where to run and pulls the opposition around creating gaps for our midfielders and he seems to work better with smudge than freddie. Work rate has been good enough for me .
I watched the Ryder Cup last night. Shane Lowry was interviewed and he said that the players have been talking about the stick that they and the Captain Harrington have been getting at home for getting well beaten on days one and two. He used the phrase 'when things are going wrong everyone becomes a genius'. He had a point. It applies and perhaps more so to football. There is so much of it on TV, so much punditry and analysis, so many media channels and so many platforms to express an opinion that we all think we are experts. When we post pre match with our line ups we all have different ones. We cant all be right. The same with substitutions. Derby and Villa both think Warne got it obviously wrong yesterday, but interestingly they disagree about who should have been taken off. Who is right? When we dont win it's so easy to imagine that if only the manager had done what we would have done it would all have been so much better. But that's just a theory that never had the chance to be tested. Its a fantasy. I'd say the same whether we are talking about Warne, Evans, Warnock or Stubbs or Darren Moore at Hillsborough. It's just the lot of the modern day manager. If you dont win every game you get stick from passionate and frustrated lay people who think with absolute conviction that they know what you obviously did wrong. We all think we are experts. Sorry to say it, but we arent. The truth is we are passionate lay people with opinions, some more informed than others. All I'm saying is that it's great to have an opinion and a platform to express it on, but let's keep it in perspective.
Taking bola off was a tactical mistake why not like others have said put him mattock position and juat brought ferguson on.
Im not anti warne or anti players i support my club and people arent performing management or player time to go. Yes it could be worse, but im still to be convinced that warne has progressed
Totally one-sided game. I enjoyed the way we played and it's a joy to watch Barlaser and Rathbone.
Can't see anything much wrong with the exception of our finishing. This for me looks like the one thing we somehow need to improve on and was the reason we got releagated last season. Grigg and Freddy need a goal from somewhere for their confidence - Freddy's confidence in particular looks shot...
We would be top 2 if we could take just a few of the many chances we create, dunno how Warne changes that - but we need to...
We will hammer someone soon, I'm confident of that - hopefully on Tuesday.
I think if freddie has lost confidence it's because he has missed chances that he ought to have put away this season. He has had a fair crack this season but it hasn't worked yet. Last season I'd argue he didn't get the chances to put the shirt on.
Wiles for a dead leg but he was OK he signalled that to the manager and he was almost on the end of a great move after the knock. PW wouldn't risk an injury HE molligoddles that team. He did what he thought best him being manager and all that. Next time he ought to do a crowd poll on what tactical change to make. Ffs we are a great side and a bit of luck our way we would be top. Bloody moaners.
With a bit of luck we would have stayed in the Championship. With a bit of luck we would be top of the league. Why have we not signed this player called luck?
Your wrong to accomplish those feats we would have required much more involvement from Luck, we would have needed a lot of Luck not a bit of Luck. We would also have needed to sign his brothers because to stay up the team would have needed to be very Lucky but in fact he left us last year and we had no Luck for most of the time even though we were accused on a few times of being very Lucky.
