Julien Lamy is available after being released by Grimsby following a few appearances during their season that ended in relegation to the National League. I respect the lad for moving to another country to make a go of it as a professional footballer. I hope he gets fixed up, but he needs to make his mark somewhere and soon. If Grimsby dont want to offer him a new deal he might be running out of options.
Warne says "I would expect possibly eight new faces in the summer,” manager Warne said. “We have to get things right and I don’t foresee us doing any business early on in the window. We’re in no rush.
“We’ve got a skeleton of a really good side. It might be that we don’t do any business until July. That doesn’t stop us working and speaking all the time to set things up. Early in the window you just end up over-paying.
“We’ll just have to do really good business to make us great again.”
Where as leaving it late warne we end up paying for those nobody wanted or loans
So paying early means we pay more, seems other may clubs disagree.
So.come june 2nd and boro buy smith is that they wanted to make sure they got him do they wait til later on mmmmm let me think
So younwilll be looking for 8 playera that fit your criteria ffs
why would you wait until July for all 8? Surely you would try and get 2 or 3 key signings in the door to show your intention, expecting to get 8 in the last 4 weeks before the season starts seems risky, also they won't get a pre-season with us, how many managers state time and time again how important a full pre-season is with the squad.
This doesnt stack up and seems like they are laying the foundations for the excuses that will come out later on
Well thats every club, sorry but the excuses are out early, if we pay for 3 decent signings will be shocked. Its going to be 1 paid and rest free signings in late july whats left after we rule them out on wages long ball ability and the warne test
Sorry if i sound negative but just peeved with rhe lies from club and country at mo
If Wiles does go to Luton, where will they play him? Because he's been used around the park as a utility player, I'm not sure what I consider his best position to be!!
Ben Wiles has got some ability but he isn’t a kid anymore. He has played around 100 league games. I sympathise with him being asked to play in lots of positions, but if I’m being perfectly candid I thought he had a slightly disappointing season. Wiles and Ihiekwe were players I was really looking forward to seeing become comfortable in the Championship and honestly I thought they both fell a bit short of what they are capable of. His work rate is fantastic but for me he didn’t really look a real goal threat very often and his decision making in the final third could improve. If he is going to be a box to box midfielder I think Wiles needs to improve that part of his game. I think whether it is with us or elsewhere next season is one in which he ought to be looking to really kick on. He is a good player but I think the jury is out as to whether or not he can become a very good player. If he got a chance to stay in the Championship and the fee was decent he has to be allowed to give it another go.
What do you think are decent fees for our players smiler?
I think we might be looking at offers for Crooks, Smith, Barlaser and although i am not sure this interest in Wiles is 100% i will put him in the mix as well.
Crooks, 27 yrs old. Very little championship experience but on occasions can make an impact as an offensive player. I would want £1.5m as a minimum for him.
Smith. 29 yrs old, lots of experience in the lower leagues and did ok last season in a relegation team. Not a prolific scorer but does offer the big man on his own up front option. As i said in an earlier post £1m would be great business imo.
Barlaser. 24 yrs old and only played just over 100 league games mostly for us. Not a great season in the championship but on occasions did show glimpses of what he can do. Not sure we would get much more than £250k for him and if we do sell would want big add ons.
Wiles. 22 yrs old. Played just under 100 league games, a lot in positions no good for him. He is very difficult to value imo. In the current financial climate i think there might be a temptation for clubs to try and get players on the cheap. I believe Wiles would benefit from another season with us and give him the role of box to box midfield player. I would also slap a £3m price tag on him and say if you want him that is what you have to pay.
How long they have got on their contracts is a big factor Whiston. I know Smith and Crooks only have a year left so that will have an effect on their value. The other thing you need is more than one club bidding. This is very arbitrary, but I think anything more than £500K for Smith looks good business. Barlaser is younger and has a longer contract. I see him at a similar figure. Crooks - I can see several clubs being interested in him and I think somewhere around the £1.5m to £2m mark feels right. Wiles I find more difficult. Any Championship side taking him on are buying into potential not proven instant quality. I wouldnt know where to start.
We should not be selling anyone under contract.These are the players that got us relegated. They can't be that good. They are now Lge 1 players and should be told they have to stay and prove they are better than that. Fearful the chairman will want to cash in on any potential sales however and probably undersell them. This is a business he's running after all.
If Crooks (for example) is on say £3.5k a week and Cardiff (for example) want to pay him say £10k a week to play a league higher, could we really reject a decent bid? Turn it down and maybe you have a player who resents being here (and who could blame him) and who we get little out of, and who then leaves for nothing in twelve months time. I'm not sure how that helps anyone.
We only want players that want to wear the shirt and buy into Warnes philosophy (not one I agree with, but it is crucial the players do) also we need to balance the books, remember that Warnes 3rd relegation has cost us £5m in revenue and the chairmain had to input an extra £3m of his own money last season. That is an £8m gap that has to be filled somehow, a mixture of revenue and reduced costs. The idea of selling Barlasar for only £250k was one of the funniest things I have read on here for a long time, he is young, was a premier league player until he joined us and is under contract. Perhaps if we were operating in the 1990's that would be accurate, I do agree with smiler that forcing players to stay never works out, get as much as you can, sell early to allow time to replace and have high sell on %'s
Glad you got a laugh out of my valuation of Barlaser 'Derby'. I have gone on facts and what he has achieved. He was sold to us for £275K . You say he was a premier league player. I beg to differ on that. He never kicked a ball in it and only played in cups and friendlies for Newcastle. He played with Crewe and then moved to us. He did not have a good season for us last season and hardly proved to me that he was championship standard (my opinion). Newcastle have a 50% sell on fee. My best guess is that we will be lucky to get over £250K for him. Let's see because he wants to play in the championship. Tell me why you think he should be valued higher? Yes he is young but so are many players. He has to prove his worth on the pitch for me.
We paid £275,000 for Barlaser. Anybody trying to persuade me that he is worth more than that now would have to explain to me what he did last season to boost his market value. He did alright at times but no better than that.
If you got a giggle out of Whiston's valuation Derby, I get one every time you use the 'Warne's third relegation' line. You seem determined to pin that season he took over on him, even though he inherited an utter shambles not of his making. Presumably you will remember this last season for Sheffield United as 'the Heckingbottom relegation season'?
I am sorry Smiler your devotion to Warne is beyond belief, now you want to rewrite history, do you think about him when you have sex with your wife/husband or whoever?
Paul Warne became Rotherham United manager on 28th November 2016 he had 23 games remaining and a full transfer window. That is 50% of a season left, we went down with 23 points conceding 98 goals and only won 5 games 2 under Warne. Now I admit we had no experience and wasn't left with a great squad, but he had plenty of games left and he is the manager that got us relegated that season and he has subsequently taken us down two more times from the Championship, these are facts.
As for your comment about Paul heckingbottom what a stupid comment it is not the same at all, he took over on 14th march, he had a decent squad, they had already lost 22 out of the 28 games played in the league and were already down they only had 10 games left.
Now regarding Barlasar you both raise good points about how much we paid and therefore why would we get more, and I might have been unkind to Whistons assessment, however I would add why would we sell him? When he joined he stated the only club he wanted to join was Rotherham, he is still young and if newcastle have a 50% sell fee there must be a belief in his ability to go for a lot more in the future. Also if we are valuing Smith or Wiles at nearly a £1m then I think he is worth more than your assessment. You say he didn't have a great season, he didn't have a bad one either, being dropped constantly didn't help he is a talented footballer.
For a start, what a juvenile comment that is Derby. I expected better from you. I'll say again what I have said several times because you dont seem to have taken it in - Warne has his faults and has made mistakes and I have been critical of him many times. I have said very recently that there is a case for him not being our manager next season. On balance I think we should stick with him, but it isnt clear cut. I dont know how to make that any clearer. On the substantive point, in 2016 Warne took over a team that had taken 7 points from 18 games. His first game in charge was in December. He took over from an experienced manager - Jackett - who decided after five games that it was mission impossible. Warne inherited a shambles of a squad onto its third manager of the season, low on confidence and with a few bad apples in it. We had seen by then that our flagship signing was in fact probably the worst signing the club has ever made. Warne was appointed caretaker initially, probably because nobody else could be persuaded to have a go at it. He didnt get the job permanently until half way through the transfer window, which was a non-event because nobody wanted to join us and the Chairman knew we were down so was never going to invest anything. I know it suits you to stick that relegation to Warne, and I know he was the manager at the point we went down, but the majority of even his harshest critics acknowledge that that one wasn't his fault.
