A very hood post and I agree with a lot of what you have written. I called for a fresh voice to be brought in earlier in the season. A fresh voice not a new manager to me its no co-incidence that our up tick in form happened when Dale Tonge was working with us in a temporary capacity.
Abandoning the 3511 system was and is mad, thats the best we have played in the Champ. Lets get back to that, round pegs in round holes and give it a go.
We can then learn at the end of the season if we go down we go from there, if we stay up then Warne needs help both on and off the field, plus we need to learn our lesson with the loans.
I will go over this old stuff one more time. Promotion was worked out by the fairest method available over 30+ games, so yes i do think we would have come second if all games were played (they weren't all played so pointless argument). Your comment 'Get Away with it indicates to me you want to punish somebody. A bit like that person nicked that, but nobody saw him so he got away with it.
I don't accept Warne and his team don't have the side up for every game, i think they do and as well prepared as any team. It's the bridging of the quality that we cannot meet. Ogbene will have proved his fitness at Parkgate. It just didn't happen for him yesterday. He is our best weapon of getting teams on the back foot, so i believe it was a gamble worth taking putting him on in the second half. I really hope it is not the injury that has a lasting effect that has made him lose that extra yard of pace. Time will tell on that.
You managed to find one game where Sadlier played well. He has had plenty of chances to show us what he is all about, but for me this season is one to forget for him and i hope he does better next season. Think he might be a division one player.
I think Blackman was around third choice goalkeeper and Hirst about fifth choice striker. We tried to sign a left back but couldn't get anywhere near valuation or wages. This was the same with at least three strikers as well and also a midfield general. So T.S might have backed Warne and got players in but we couldn't get the quality that we need to stay at this level. That would mean busting our wage limit and unsettling a squad that is reliant on teamwork and togetherness.
It is not a case that Warne is not good enough at this level imo, it is the clubs ability to compete in the championship that is not good enough. Just to finish with this. I have been consistent from the first kick of the season. I have said we will lack the quality to stay up but they will give it one hell of a go. Nothing has changed from this end. I also recently said that if we go down then a fresh management team is required. However, without the extra millions (tens of them) i will expect the same result. Oh hang on a minute i am not sure they will get us up to the championship because you cannot buy what Warne brings to the party.
Both players currently have an average rating of 6.12 (Jozefzoon) and 6.13 (Hirst) making them statistically the worst performing players in the @SkyBetChamp 😳
Brentford 0 Birmingham 0
Another nail firmly hammered into the coffin thank you you bunch of ****ney bottle jobs, mind you they'll recover quickly enough to give us a good hiding.
I agree that PW has the responsibility. I also agree he hasn't delivered this season. He hasn't delivered because we have looked doomed to relegation all season...
If we are relegated then there are 2 options. 1. He stays. 2. He goes.
Option 1
I honestly cannot see another manager doing any better. The only ones we can compare him to are (a) Big Steve , and (b) King Ronnie.
A. Spent a lot more money, and also had a more flexible loan market. B. I doubt that anyone is thinking of the King.
I know it's not very helpful , but , I think PW is still a good fit for us and deserves continued investment.
While there are many stories of rags to riches combined with a new man at the helm , I beg to suggest there are many, many more where it is jumping out of the frying pan into the fire.
PW stays for me and he gets another full season.
-- Edited by ian on Tuesday 6th of April 2021 11:29:15 PM
It's only natural that supporters want our team to do well. The excitement is almost tangible most every pre-season. That excitement with the added high expectations of our club's fortunes has descended again into one hell of a ride. For sure we've hit a few bumps in the road as we journey to the end of what can only be described as a very fraught campaign in the Championship.
With approximately 20% of this season left to play we appear to be in dire straits. Yes, we have games in hand on teams above us in the table. But they have points already in the bag. Yes, it looks gloomy.
But it's a big fat 'No' from me and I'll not be joining or jumping on any bandwagon and clamouring for PW and his team to be moved on. The blame game has started but it is never a good look. Some people have very short memories. We've been relegated a few times over the past few seasons but we've also had a number of successes and the odd victorious trip to Wembley.
Grumble if you must. Have a gripe if you like. Supporters don't need anyone else's permission to be critical of their team's performances. We are all Millers and we will have our day in the sun again when we'll be the best thing since sliced bread.
The issue i have with warne is he has his preferred starting 11 +2 and will then make the formation fit his choice.
In regards the performance of the loanees. They csme to get games. So why would they.bother.
Imo opinion he isnt the man for the job sorry
I don’t want any manager to be sacked but there comes a time when even the best have come to the end of the road. This season we have repeated the mistakes of the past. I don’t know the reason for that but I am convinced that I could have found an adequate affordable left back. I am convinced I could have found a journeyman forward who would have taken the pressure off Michael Smith. Look at Mondays no 9 no great player but caused lots of problems.Â
If you look at the league table we are not far off staying up but import  inadequate players leaves us in this desperate position.
Unfortunately, management must take responsibility for this. We are now in a position where we need fresh voices and attitudes to get us out of this situation. You cannot ignore the fact that Paul Warne and his team got us into it.
I don’t want any manager to be sacked but there comes a time when even the best have come to the end of the road. This season we have repeated the mistakes of the past. I don’t know the reason for that but I am convinced that I could have found an adequate affordable left back. I am convinced I could have found a journeyman forward who would have taken the pressure off Michael Smith. Look at Mondays no 9 no great player but caused lots of problems.Â
If you look at the league table we are not far off staying up but import  inadequate players leaves us in this desperate position.
Unfortunately, management must take responsibility for this. We are now in a position where we need fresh voices and attitudes to get us out of this situation. You cannot ignore the fact that Paul Warne and his team got us into it.
Completely Agree mate...
and I don't think he has put out the best 11 or formation in last few games, and has abandoned the best 3-5-1-1 formation where we had a good run of games...
and simple question - Do you think Warnock would keep us up with this set of palyers ??
I'd say YES without doubt - which means whilst we don't have the same quality players as some teams, I firmly believe this set of players are good enough to stay up.
Which all points back to - Yes please - a new manager...
The other really annoying thing is that we have the basis of a team we could build on next season in this league - and we won't have the chance to do that.
I really like Warne, and thank him for some good times in League 1 - but NOW is the time to roll the dice, get in a new man, and try to stay up..
I'll support us in any League - but it is so, so frustrating....
A lot of thought provoking posts and good stuff going on the site at the moment imo. I am not keen on how 'Derby' gets his points over but there is no doubting the quality and thought that goes into them. No i don't think Warnock would keep us up. He did a great job keeping us up last time but he had more jam than Hartleys. This is my take on our squad.
Viking- Learning on the job, making progress but will possibly be a division one keeper.
Olosunde- In and out but his best form is championship standard.
Harding- Was told he was a donkey, but for me a great signing and championship class.
Ihiekwe- Got a mistake in him and not a great reader of the game. Has pace that gets him out of trouble. Needs a thinker at his side.
Wood- Been a great servant and will not let anybody down. Wish he was five years younger. Superb leader and reader of the game.
Robertson.- Lacks a yard of pace and injury prone. Filled in well at left back but more a division one player for me.
Mattock- Well past his sell by date. Been good but can only consider him a squad player in division one.
A. McDonald. Done o.k but division one at best.
Ogbene.-Only player in our squad that could get in most teams in our division. That is of course if he has retained his pace.
Lindsay- Grafter who has had a good season. Would benefit from better quality around him but holds his own in this league.
S.McDonald-Flashes of what he has been. But a has been is what he is i'm afraid.
Barlaser- Very in and out. His best form is good enough. Goes missing too much. Has quality at set pieces.
Crookes- Another whose best form is good enough.Lacks consistency. Played well behind Smith and that must be his role.
Smith- Decent leader of the line. Can hold the ball up well but doesn't take enough chances. Division one player.
Ladapo- Frustrating player. Would possibly do well in a side like Norwich who make many chances. Needs moving on.
Clarke- Would struggle in division two.
Vassell, Tilt, Proctor. Not good enough. Vassell is a morning glory. Looks amazing on the gallops but doesn't produce it on the course.
Loanees- Blackman- been loaned out to too many clubs to be any good....Giles- Lightweight.... Wing- Looks ok at times. Josefzoon...Like Taylor and Williams before him, flatters and no end product.. Hirst- A talking horse and nowhere near championship stanadrd. Might never be that standard but early days.
I am sure i have missed somebody out but for me it shows the lack of quality Warne has to work with and how difficult it would be for anybody to keep us in this division
Sadlier- The season has past him by. Still hope he can be a good signing but needs to show what he is about and hopefully in the next ten games if given a chance.
I'm questioning whether this team is good enough and so wondering if there's a lot more to get from them. I've said all season and last, that we are as many as 4-5 players short.
Of course this also is at the foot of PWs door .
I think actually that man for man this is the worst champ side we have had.
It doesn't take too much to inch up or down the league , but its a big step up in quality to be at the level of a millwall as they currently are .
at the end of the season it will be interesting to see which teams that have been in the bottom 5 and changed their management stay up and which go down, same with the teams that didn't change their manager but have been in the bottom 5.
And possibly Coventry (which would be the 3 promoted clubs all going back down).I agree with whiston's squad assessment. Suppose we should give Sadlier one game to prove he's not a soft fairy. Middlesbro fan i know told me Wing is a "show pony". Beginning to agree with him. Does anybody know exactly what is Mattock's injury ?
It is amazing that yo can get criticised for highlighting the failings of the manager, when operating at this level over a sustained period, yet the same fans will slag off a player who has been injured for most of the season and hasn't had a run of games in the team and when he is played isn't played in his natural position, a case of double standards if you ask me. As for Wing he has played well for us, certainly the best of the loan players, he works hard, moves the ball around well and he is always in space to receive a pass, I think to pick on Wing is a little over the top. We have 5 good midfielders all capable of playing at this level, we have 3 capable CB's and two decent full backs (still no natural left FB in those 2), We have a young keeper that as Smiler said if he was 4in taller wouldn't be at Rotherham, he is brave, he comes for crosses and the defence know he is there because he communicates with them. We have one good winger that has been injured all season, and a League 1 centre forward that gives everything he has but will only get 10-12 goals a season. I think Sadlier is the type of number 10 we needed but the lad has been injured so we will have to see next season, he still should go on the pitch ahead of Hirst. Giles is alright as an impact player late in a game but he isn't a natural defender. Flo is only slightly better than Hirst, and that is out of 6 attempts you will get 2 decent crosses. Freddie, has a goal in him but he hasn't shown enough to be classed as a Championship first choice striker. Shaun MacDonald was a decent player 5 seasons ago, he just makes the numbers up now. Robertson is decent but a sick note, same with Mattock he is now losing a lot of availability due to his recurring back injury. Overall there is enough in that group to scrape to 50 points, but it is tight margins due to a few players that just haven't been good enough, 3 of them are loans. Being kind to the management team the loss of Ogbene and Mattock was a big blow, and you won't get every signing right, Harding, the Viking, Wing, Barlasar, A. MacDonald have been decent signings, we are probably 2 players short and that has cost us 6 or 7 points, but I am sure all the other clubs in the bottom 8 have similar stories.
Football is a results based business, nobody remembers the bad loans, the injuries what stays with you is the points on the board and the league table, that is how a manager is judged and it is the same for all managers at all clubs. We have 10 games, we performed awfully on Monday, if Warne and co can't improve on that and get us 10 "die in a ditch" performances from that group of players then they have had their chance and good luck to them but Rotherham United will be ready for some new blood, if they manage to pull it off then they deserve the plaudits and the chance to go again.
First thing I would like to say is what a pleasure it is to read a thread that is full of constructive debate and argument, without anyone reverting to dogma and posters accepting that everyone has the right to an opinion.
Having laid that foundation for legitimately saying what I want, I'm inclined towards the Whiston camp on this one. Without doubt this club is defined by a very meagre budget and whoever manages the club is going to be hamstrung in comparison to his fellow championship managers. That means the manager must have something special to urge the average players that we can afford to perform in an above average manner week in, week out. That type of manager is a rare beast and those that have the ability - Warnock, Allardyce, Dyche etc, are as far outside our wage structure as a Championship level striker!
When I compare our performances this season against our previous appearances in the Championship, I think we've fared much better. Last time we were overrun, constantly, and attending matches had an inevitability about it, wondering how many we could restrict the opposition to. Hardly any side has dominated us this season and, with the injuries we have sustained and the Covid toll, we have been rather unfortunate. I think Warne has done a remarkable job and our season should not be defined by the Wycombe performance.
We should be careful what we wish for. Remember the debacle of 'names' that came and failed prior to PW's appointment. Some of those 'superior' managers could well have consigned RUFC to a future of League 1/2 football for the foreseeable future!
