My thinking with Cooper & Kayode. We haven't got much cover good enough at centre back & also there's mistakes being made there. Up front we've only got Smith good enough. Our bench last night nobody on it to change anything.
Gwru at the risk of labouring the point you are assuming based on no real evidence that Cooper can make the step up from National League North and be a better defender than the three who started last night or any of Robertson, Tilt, Thompson or Jones. It is easy to be glib and dismissive of players you don't rate (although you haven't actually seen Tilt kick a ball), but in all seriousness what gives you any confidence that the lad is a better player than any of them, who have all had successful careers at a decent level? The same for Kayode - what makes you think (rather than hope) that he will have an impact at such a high level right now, when someone like Hirst who came with a big reputation has clearly found it very challenging? Do you not accept that the people who matter who are paid to make these decisions are making them on an informed basis, whereas you are just guessing and hoping?
You have got it the wrong way round the people that matter in football are the fans. What is keeping things going at the moment tv money and where does that come from the fans. Whether it is from subscription or streaming because of that we are all entitled to our views. Managers players are paid employees no doubt they work hard but it is nothing to what some people are doing at the moment.
You have got it the wrong way round the people that matter in football are the fans. What is keeping things going at the moment tv money and where does that come from the fans. Whether it is from subscription or streaming because of that we are all entitled to our views. Managers players are paid employees no doubt they work hard but it is nothing to what some people are doing at the moment.
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Of course fans are important and entitled to their views. Who has said otherwise?
That doesn't mean that retired steelworkers magically know more about the game than professional players turned professional coaches. And it doesn't mean that I can't criticise someone's opinion that they repeat five times daily when it is ridiculous.
Your alter ego has seen Cooper once in a reserve match and thinks he should be called back from the National League North and be starting in the Championship ahead of a host of players with lots of good experience. Warney and his coaching staff have spent hundreds and thousand of hours watching Cooper play. I haven't seen any more of Cooper than Gwru has, so if it is all the same with you I will go with the opinions of people who know what they are talking about.
-- Edited by smiler on Thursday 21st of January 2021 09:37:48 AM
I agree that fans matter in football and that the views of fans should be top of the list. However, and we have been here before, money from fans pay a very small part in the income of football clubs. An average premier league club would have an income of over 100 million. Only a small amount of that actually comes from the paying fans. In a normal season the millers would get around 10 million from sky and enhanced payments for being in the championship.
From ifollow and sky streams the fans pay £10 for a pass with the club making £8.34 per home game. In the championship the home team takes all the money from streams they sell. The away teams get nothing. The money received is not close to replacing the revenue lost by games being played behind closed doors. Add to this , it is estimated an average spend at an EFL league game is £30 per head. Now it is possible for a family to spend just £10 .
I am not going to say much on your last post Smiler. I had fifteen years as a steelworker and cannot remember much magic or pearls of wisdom on football in my time. Perhaps i should have gone to Thurcroft and listened to what the locals were saying about the game. They also apparently are experts on horse racing, but when challenged the knowledge could be put on a postage stamp. i have a feeling it might be the same on football.
smiler Cooper he's back here not heard anything different. Tizer today says only loans we'll be getting in. How long does it take to get them match fit if they haven't been playing? It's like a pre season so I'd say a min' of 1 month. We are going to have to get a left sided player in. But up front I'd sooner get Kayode back than a forward who needs time we haven't got to get him up to speed.
whiston01 I know enough about horseracing & Roth U to more than get me by. Recruitment all Scotty will be doing will be on the internet putting in what we are willing to pay & see what it comes up with. Last January window loans came up with Adelakun & Koroma both ended up not starting games. Hope we've learnt from that & get right players in but can't see us getting match fit loan players in. Warney might be cleverer than I think he is & bluffing throwing other clubs off the scent then a permanent signing in on the left. One actual signing & Kayode back would do me.
-- Edited by gwru on Thursday 21st of January 2021 10:55:55 AM
If you think that is what Scott really does, you are exposing your own ignorance.
I have nothing against steelworkers (I go to games with cousins of mine who spent their working lives as steelworkers) or anyone else per se. When my cousins were there BS stood for British Steel not Bullsh1t. I am all for opinions, but if they are clearly lunatic opinions without any foundation in reality I will feel free to say so.
I can at least see a case for bringing Kayode in, although it is a huge step up from League Two to the Championship. We have seen a lot of experienced players who were good enough to be part of a League One promotion side struggle at Championship level. If he isn't likely to spend much time on the pitch with us, he is probably better served getting further experience at a level where he will be playing a lot.
Jake Cooper's only first team experience is at a level four tiers underneath ours. If he was anywhere near ready for Championship football, there would have been teams at a higher level than Gateshead (with all respect to them) asking about him and he would have gone to one of them. It is fantasy to think he is going to play a part in our league campaign this season. Pure fantasy.
I am glad you know enough to get you by Gwru and possibly think you are right. At my age my memory let's me down.
It looks like Tilt, Jones , Clarke, Thompson and Proctor are going to be moved on if at all possible. I have no problem with that, with the exception being Tilt. I cannot understand why we signed him (£100K) if he he is to be moved on so quickly. It looks like he cannot settle here, but surely we should have looked into that before signing him. I don't believe we will get much if anything for him. Cooper (he's the young un i think) is back but with a view to moving him to a lower league club, possibly Div 2, but back to Gateshead is also a possibility. I totally agree with that. Jake Hull was also going out on loan to a lower league club but covid has halted that. Again the development of these youngster's look in good hands imo.
Warne has also indicated in the 'Tiser' that it will be loans only as indicated by Gwru. I know it is difficult times and money is very tight, but i was hoping for a money signing to show our intentions of making a big effort to stay up. I am not advocating bankrupting the club, but i think an easing of the purse strings to stay in this division would be good business. That is only my opinion and i no nothing of our financial situation. I am sure people who do, would say i am talking bo****ks which i tend to talk a lot of.
whiston01 your last post we are more or less in agreement. Just one signing permanent would do me who can play left full back or wing back. I agree it's in our interest to give it the best shot we can to stay up this season.
I am a retired engineering worker if you don't know the difference showing your ignorance. looks as if the lone ranger (Rob Scott) and tonto (Douglass) are back in town. Warney says in the tizer no permanent signings or no signings at all there probably will be some. Why do we go through this performance every January panic button time?.
I am a retired engineering worker if you don't know the difference showing your ignorance. looks as if the lone ranger (Rob Scott) and tonto (Douglass) are back in town. Warney says in the tizer no permanent signings or no signings at all there probably will be some. Why do we go through this performance every January panic button time?.
I guess the answers to your questions (opinion not fact) are:
1) Our squad is not far off being good enough - so we only need 2 or 3 additions. So we are not so desperate as some seasons.
2) It's money, simple as that. These days player agents rule, and sell the services of the players they represent the same way an Estate Agent sells a house - to the highest bidder/best deal in an auction. We can't afford to go in with an oustanding bid to beat the opposition outright on players we'd like, so we have to wait until things settle and see which players we have made a winning bid.
Hence - it's late in the wndow when we see what we CAN bring in.. then we choose (if we have several options)
I also think loans signings are sensible, because we maybe can afford to pay a bit more than normal for a short term (to May) versus the financial risk of a long term contract, especially when we are in a relegation fight not a promotion push...
I have nothing against loans it is what I expected just tell us the truth trouble is with 10 days to go to the end of the transfer window what the hell is going on.
So you think the club should reveal to the world which players they are looking at and how much there is to spend just to satisfy your strange curiosity. Maybe you should contact Tony Stewart and demand that he tells you everything because you are a massive fan who went to the DVS.
It is just groundhog day as usual with this January transfer window nothing happening until the last couple of days no surprise there. We are entitled to a bit of information instead of the usual garbage that is being given out.
Tizer we're looking to loan Cooper out to a league 2 side. Says Tilt Clarke Jones Thompson Proctor club says they've been told they can leave the club. I'd add Flo to that list. Can't believe our chairman won't give us the best chance we can to stay up. We are only a couple of signings away from a staying up side.
It's been a frustrating spell with Billy Jones. You could see he could play but he spent too long sidelined with injury. All the same he was part of a promotion winning squad. Nice symmetry that he has gone back to Crewe, who are going alright in League One under David Artell. This moving out of fringe players is a positive.
