Just a reminder that we are only allowed a 25 man squad that we have to name and that we can refresh in January. Because we knew he was out until at least January,Ogbene was not in our 25. In terms of places in that 25, you might view Ogbene as the one in in place of Miller. If Ogbene is fit, we have to find him a spot on the roster.
-- Edited by smiler on Thursday 14th of January 2021 05:59:21 PM
smiler is this too simple. Take players who are not going to play off the 25 to make room for signings. Blackman Thompson Flo to make room for Ogbene Vassell remove them from the 25. Clarke add to them if we get a left full/wing back in.
Setting aside that you have based it totally on your own assessments, unless you want to pay those players to not even be in the squad you have to get them to agree to move on and you also have to find someone willing to take them on and pay them. At the same time you have to find replacements who are better and who we can afford and who want to come here. For reasons that we have been over many times too often, that is no easy job. It isn't FIFA Football Manager on Playstation. So to answer your question, it really isnt simple at all.
I'm baffled by the criticism I have seen about us having three keepers in the squad. It is so easy for keepers to get a red card these days. It isnt difficult to imagine a situation in which we have one injured and a second suspended. Would anyone really be happy to go into a game with no keeper on the bench? In a squad of 25 surely 22 outfield players is enough, and there is no need to have a 23rd and only two keepers?
I think Vassell wants to be a good player.......he just isn't, I am sure he tries but he isn't capable of turning whatever he does in training into a performance on match day.
Not sure on the Miller decision however I have to hope it is to free some salary for new players.
Regarding the comment above about me not knowing they are trying to get players in, you are correct I cannot know that. If my post said they don't try then I apologise that wasn't the point I was trying to make, I do believe that they try, however trying is not a measure of success for me. I am sure that a lot of people on here work in successful businesses either their own or for other people, those businesses are focused on outcomes not effort. Now a sensible person knows that effort is part of the mix to achieve the right outcomes but we are all measured by outcomes and that is how I will judge the recruitment team at Rotherham. As always I hope they deliver the goods.
I'm baffled by the criticism I have seen about us having three keepers in the squad. It is so easy for keepers to get a red card these days. It isnt difficult to imagine a situation in which we have one injured and a second suspended. Would anyone really be happy to go into a game with no keeper on the bench? In a squad of 25 surely 22 outfield players is enough, and there is no need to have a 23rd and only two keepers?
I'd be willing to bet that the same people moaning about having three keepers and only wanting two would also be the first to moan at Paul Warne for only having two keepers if one of them got injured.
-- Edited by realmiller on Thursday 14th of January 2021 08:05:17 PM
I think Vassell wants to be a good player.......he just isn't, I am sure he tries but he isn't capable of turning whatever he does in training into a performance on match day.
Not sure on the Miller decision however I have to hope it is to free some salary for new players.
Regarding the comment above about me not knowing they are trying to get players in, you are correct I cannot know that. If my post said they don't try then I apologise that wasn't the point I was trying to make, I do believe that they try, however trying is not a measure of success for me. I am sure that a lot of people on here work in successful businesses either their own or for other people, those businesses are focused on outcomes not effort. Now a sensible person knows that effort is part of the mix to achieve the right outcomes but we are all measured by outcomes and that is how I will judge the recruitment team at Rotherham. As always I hope they deliver the goods.
That's a fair enough post derby, it's just some people (not necessarily yourself) are expecting outcomes that simply aren't even close to being realistic.
I think Vassell wants to be a good player.......he just isn't, I am sure he tries but he isn't capable of turning whatever he does in training into a performance on match day.
Not sure on the Miller decision however I have to hope it is to free some salary for new players.
Regarding the comment above about me not knowing they are trying to get players in, you are correct I cannot know that. If my post said they don't try then I apologise that wasn't the point I was trying to make, I do believe that they try, however trying is not a measure of success for me. I am sure that a lot of people on here work in successful businesses either their own or for other people, those businesses are focused on outcomes not effort. Now a sensible person knows that effort is part of the mix to achieve the right outcomes but we are all measured by outcomes and that is how I will judge the recruitment team at Rotherham. As always I hope they deliver the goods.
I think Miller is probably going out partly to make room in the 25 man squad, partly to accommodate Ogbene in that squad and partly for his own benefit. It will undoubtedly free up some money in the budget. For all we know, he might have asked for a move out to get game time. That sort of thing isn't always public knowledge.
My own take on Vassell for what it is worth is that he tries too hard to be a clever footballer. He seems to want to do fancy pirouettes, take set pieces and score from 35 yards. In my opinion he would be a much bigger threat and a more effective player if he played to his strengths. He is big and strong with a powerful shot. If he kept it simple, put himself about a bit, kept it direct and left the fancy stuff to others he could be a very effective League One striker. He has scored goals there previously.
Neighbour whose son has something to do with Leeds coaching setup says we could do far worse than take Joe Gelhardt on loan. Know nothing about him but neighbour is a very good judge.
Just a point on having three keepers on the books, tbh I think its a waste of an already stretched budget in the league we are in but that's just my opinion.
Agree about having 3 keepers same as giving likes of Jones another contract start of this season. Vickers he's got to be here to play some part. I've said I'd take Blackman out of the 25 man squad, force his parent club to find him another team to loan to.
Just my opinion, but I think that is nuts. If a keeper is suspended (easily done these days) or injured (which has happened) would we really be happy to go into important games with one in goal (who might himself get injured or sent off at any time) and no cover on the bench? I certainly wouldn't. Not when we can have 3 keepers and still have 22 outfield players in the same squad. I can't imagine that Vickers is making a big hole in our wage bill, and surely 22 outfield players is plenty?
I am interested to know, Gwru, how you propose we 'force' Chelsea to do anything? If the loan contract gives us the option to return him, fair enough. If not, we aren't really in a position to call the shots, are we? What chance is there of getting good loan players from bigger clubs in the future if we get a reputation for braking contracts or messing them about?
smiler keeper is one position if you are down to only one keeper available you can get an emergency loan in. That's what rules used to be. Blackman he's a weakness, at Everton their 1st goal most keepers would have got out to clear the danger. Johansson lack of height for a keeper when he's under pressure from crosses he can't deal with them.
I disagree I thought Johansson had performed well in goal and the defense seem to trust him more
Even more he is our player not a loan and we need to stop using loans for.goalies
smiler keeper is one position if you are down to only one keeper available you can get an emergency loan in. That's what rules used to be. Blackman he's a weakness, at Everton their 1st goal most keepers would have got out to clear the danger. Johansson lack of height for a keeper when he's under pressure from crosses he can't deal with them.
Good luck with the emergency loan. I am not sure that possibility even exists any more with the 25 man squads. What would the EFL think if you deliberately only name two in the squad then claim it is an emergency when neither is available for a couple of games? And what when you have one of them out so have one fit? Can you go and see we need back up on the bench as an emergency loan in case something goes wrong during the game? I very much doubt it.
I thought emergency loans had been finished full stop.
All I want is warne to keep it to plan a b c so the players know them. Training is limited. Warne needs to drop the good guy recruitment and get a blood and guts player in and drive the team on the pitch not a cup of tea and cake player
