I also thought Hirst would be a decent signing remember warney was chasing him for a couple of seasons and was bragging that he had finally got him. He has shown a few glimpses but not enough still hope we can get something out of him.
Paul Warne bragging? He is the most humble guy on the planet. The bragging is best left to you and your bruddah. Although I would suggest that neither of you have had much, if anything, to brag about in life.
i think Gwru has unwittingly hit the nail on the head.
We can not afford a striker who meets all Gwru's criteria (i.e. under 28, no injury history a proven Championship goal scorer) who is affordable. We have to make allowances to get within budget. We can not afford an oven ready striker proven at this level and at the zenith of his powers unless we have millions to throw around and are happy to pay £20k a week. So here are the options: -
1. Get someone who has scored goals in this league it will have to be somebody older or who has had fitness issues. Someone like a Best, Blackstock, Derbyshire or Becchio. They are short term fixes and may not always pay off. We have had similar players in other positions. The likes of Broadfoot, Richardson, etc. Billy Jones is in that category. He has been a Premier League player and we wouldn't have got him at all unless he was past his best age and injury wise, and sadly it hasn't really paid off for us.
2. Get an untried novice on loan. Someone like a George Hirst or Izzy Brown. They may not have an impact, and if they do they are not our player and they go on elsewhere.
3. Get someone a good age and fit from a lower division who we think might be able to make the step up. In fairness, we have had a crack at that with the three strikers who got us promoted, with mixed results. You don't really know until you try them. I would argue they deserved their opportunity.
4. Try and find a hidden gem from abroad somewhere.
None of these options are risk free. Gwru bigged up George Hirst based on nine minutes of action, but he was always a bit of a punt. Colby Bishop (I don't know much about him) might be a good target, but Gwru has already identified (sensibly for once) that he would represent a bit of a risk, Giving Kayode a go would be a big risk - he is totally untried at the level.
I prefer option three or four because at least we are getting our own players in and with good recruitment we can try and spot the right targets and with good coaching maybe improve young, ambitious players and then we have saleable assets on our books. This will not always work but we are getting better at it. We have sold players recently for a bit of money and reinvested in others. some of whom now have real value of their own (Barlaser, Ogbene, Olosunde for example).
The point I am really making though is that whichever route we go down, we have to go for a strategy that comes with no guarantees and that carries risks. You do your best to mitigate against that risk, but will never eliminate it. Not every attempt will pay off. Which is why it is nonsense to be too critical when a signing doesn't quite work out. Some of them won't. That is the nature of risk. Unfortunately for Warne he lives in the real world where he is accountable, unlike supporters who can airbrush their own wrong opinions and live in a virtual world where they think they would always get it right.
I just think we have to be a bit more understanding of the challenges we face and get behind what we are trying to do to overcome them.
-- Edited by smiler on Tuesday 12th of January 2021 10:00:14 PM
If we lose the next two games adrift in the bottom three the writing is on the wall how will we stay up. When we play Derby I expect us to play well but after 75 minutes nothing to put on. Who is to blame for that needed a couple of signing to give us a boost. Look at QPR sign Austin gives them a bit of confidence with this state of the art recruitment we have should be no problem.
-- Edited by TH MILLER on Tuesday 12th of January 2021 11:06:41 PM
I bet he is above minimum wage. How do QPR afford it they are bust but that is up to them?. There are some players out there I just have the feeling that this season is drifting away from us. Do we gamble or sit on our hands with these dark times why not push the boat out a bit doing nothing as far as I am concerned is not an option.
If QPR are paying half his weekly wage that is probably close to what our best eleven are on combined. They are a relegation rival. That is the magnitude of the task we face. We can have sophisticated recruitment, and we can do our best, but so does everybody else. Our systems are not powered by magic dust and we haven't got wizards in charge. It certainly isn't impossible for us to compete and stay up but it isn't at all easy. We can't buy or borrow a Charlie Austin. We have to gamble on someone without his track record. I don't know how else to say it. Why is it so difficult to understand?
I will go back back to what our chairman has said we are going to be active in this transfer window. Do we gamble a little bit no chance stopping up with this current squad. Present form is relegation has to change now if doesn't change the manager.
-- Edited by TH MILLER on Tuesday 12th of January 2021 11:54:22 PM
Brilliant TH. We probably will be active. We probably have got a bit of money to spend. It is probably a minute fraction of what QPR have just committed to for Austin but it's probably the best we can do without risking our very existence and that is fine. No doubt the recruitment team are doing their best to identify players who might improve us. But for the reasons I gave earlier, don't expect oven ready Championship quality at its peak. That isnt going to happen. We cant afford it. That being the case, don't be too harsh if we gamble (as we inevitably must) and it doesnt pay off, and don't br too quick to throw blame around if we dont manage to beat the odds by staying up. Just get behind the effort that everyone is undoubtedly putting in. That (more than having a Mayday number and a season ticket) is how I would define 'support'.
They are getting very well paid for their effort. I support the club through thick and thin were you there on a very cold winters night when we nearly went bust. This club will not survive without genuine supporters like me. You might not agree with me tough as soon as season tickets come out I shall renew mine pay the full amount up front as usual.
They are getting very well paid for their effort. I support the club through thick and thin were you there on a very cold winters night when we nearly went bust. This club will not survive without genuine supporters like me. You might not agree with me tough as soon as season tickets come out I shall renew mine pay the full amount up front as usual.
You have made it clear many times that attendance in the dark days (you weren't the only one) is in effect a badge of honour and buys you the right to say what you want. You may have the right to say what you like, but that shouldn't mean that anything goes.
I've tried to construct something resembling an objective analysis of where we sit in the transfer market. It may be right or wrong, but hopefully it is at least considered and reasoned. I would be delighted to engage in a good discussion or debate about it or to read someone else's take on it even if it is miles away from mine as long as some thought has gone into it. But all we get back from you is 'well QPR have signed Charlie Austin', clearly completely missing the point. You aren't interested in anything but your own narrow-minded views regardless of the facts.
My opinion is that this site would be better off without you and that the club can probably do without the likes of you as well.
-- Edited by smiler on Wednesday 13th of January 2021 08:43:13 AM
A same as usual if you disagree with someone ban them. It is not yours or my club it is the supporters. My views are very mild to some I know. We are nearly 2 weeks into the transfer window no sign so far of any new players big match coming up. If it goes to form play ok until we bring subs on then we are farting dust. I do hope I am wrong I will be delighted if you have a go at me over it.
A same as usual if you disagree with someone ban them. It is not yours or my club it is the supporters. My views are very mild to some I know. We are nearly 2 weeks into the transfer window no sign so far of any new players big match coming up. If it goes to form play ok until we bring subs on then we are farting dust. I do hope I am wrong I will be delighted if you have a go at me over it.
As usual you have missed the point.
You criticise me and others for what you think are long posts, but you need to have an exchange of ideas and something to feed off to have 'banter'.
You add nothing of value on any thread. You say the same things again and again almost regardless of the topic or what other people might contribute.
It isn't about agreeing or not, it is about having something worthwhile to contribute. Just endlessly repeating the same dumb moaning one liners whatever the subject and whatever anyone else says is simply crap, and that is all that you do.
If you were there in the dark days (4th division , DVS , George Kerr etc) TH as a lot of posters on here were I would have thought your goals would be a little more realistic, and by the way I was there .
If you were there in the dark days (4th division , DVS , George Kerr etc) TH as a lot of posters on here were I would have thought your goals would be a little more realistic, and by the way I was there .
Exactly, I don't how certain people coped during the seven consecutive seasons in League Two up to 2013. We could only dream of being in the situation we're in now. Listening to some you'd think we're in the worst position in the clubs history.
I was there all the lows we've had from 65 so you need the highs to make up for them. So posters on here are happy that under Warney in the championship it's another low. Hope our present manager keeps to what he says that he'll resign if he can't keep us up this season. Fans are getting bored with it knowing we start again every two seasons in league 1.
