Jackson Irvine & Tom Adeyemi are both free agents, just putting it out there, we need major squad surgery in January.
Jackson Irvine is a good player at this level and I'm very surprised nobody has taken him. Tom Adeyemi has played about 5 games since he left us in 2017, so probably not we want or need.
I'd be surprised if central midfield signings were a priority, left back/wing back is the obvious position we're short in, and the strikers haven't scored enough. It's all well and good saying we need a Championship class striker who scores goals but I'm pretty sure the management will have already thought of that, getting one is obviously a lot easier said than done.
I don't agree that we need major squad surgery, I just think we need to get some of the injured players back and then maybe a couple of ins and outs. The last two games have proven that we're capable of getting results.
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Warne talks of freshening the squad with three or four in and similar out. He also says he is considering bringing back Tilt and Kayode. I am sure a left sided full back is top of his list. Getting a good striker at whatever time of the year will be difficult for us. They cost a lot of money. I would send Hirst back and give a similar opportunity to Kayode if the management team believe he has developed sufficiently. Warne has said he would only bring Tilt and kayode back if they could offer something on the pitch and not be sat watching from the bench.
It's all about opinions Splnter isn't it. Quite a few Blackpool supporters felt Tilt was far superior to Robertson and that Robertson was too slow. I will be glad to get both of them back fit and fighting for a place.
I don't know if Tilt played tues but Wigan lost at home to Rochdale 5-0. Tilt is up there to me with Blackstock as one of our worst signings in recent years. I wouldn't trust our current management team with another transfer window.
Tilt did play Tuesday and he also played in the 1-0 victory at Sunderland. You choose to judge him on the last result. Fair enough Gwru.
You say you wouldn't trust our current management with another transfer window. Which ones of the following do you think are bad signings by our management team ? Barlaser. Ladapo. Ogbene, A.McDonald, Olosunde, Harding, Lindsay, Robertson, Lamy. I will add Crooks, Sadlier , miller, S. McDonald . who i also think have been o.k. signings. Over to you Gwru but i don't think they have done as bad as you make out. I have not put Tilt down as i think it is unfair to judge him on what we have seen so far.
Ladapo Crooks Miller Clarke Tilt Vassell off top of my head not a fan for this level. I know we have players injured but even then we didn't have a left back or left wide player. Up front apart from Smith lacking. Both keepers we've seen question marks against, Johansson his height for his position.
two seasons ago it was obvious to anyone at the club or any fans that without a goal scorer being brought in during january we wouldn't stay up, we missed out by a handful of points and the club lost millions in revenue. The pro-warne gang let the manager off again by blaming the recruitment team and after we made a change in that area. Not only did we fail to bring in a goal scorer (no guarantees it would have worked, but doing nothing did guarantee relegation) we made one signings crooks and very late in the window. We are at that point again, this time we know doing nothing will likely result in failure, we need more than 1 player and we have the Paul Warne dream recruitment team also the chairman has stated he will support strengthening the squad. NO EXCUSES THIS TIME
We need a left wing back, young, with pace, we need a goal scorer (not a headless chicken hard working couldn't score if everyone else left the pitch vassell striker) and we need another central midfielder to cover for the excellent Lindsay and be a replacement for MacDonald when he leaves.
Now i expect, where will we get them from, we can't afford it........my answer is this. We have a full-time recruitment manager, whose only job is to scout, identify and recruit players, he is not just starting to look this is what he does every day at work. We need those players and we need them at the beginning of the window, so if we haven't got a list yet and we haven't started speaking to agents then what the F are we doing. Also as stated before we need to look outside the UK as well.
If warne is to stand any chance of keeping us up, we need the rest of the club to help him, otherwise another relegation will slip off Mr teflon and that won't be good for anyone (except Mr Teflon).
So you think Ladapo was a bad signing Gwru. He has played in 46 games for us and scored 18 times.. You say Crooks, Miller (very early to judge imo), Clarke, Tilt (played once) and Vassell. What about the other eight i mentioned.I think it is fair to say Lamy wasn't a great signing but i wouldn't expect you to say he was.
Derby, i agree with you when you say the last time we were in the championship we failed because we didn't sign players in the January window and it was a major part of our relegation. However, if you look at the players signed in August this season i think we have done o.k and fifth from bottom is an improvement on last time. Whether we can get players in from abroad i don't know. They certainly said that in the summer, but covid might have put paid to that. I think we have a decent team all round and that is why i give them my full support. We will always have to punch above our weight to stay up in this division imo.
two seasons ago it was obvious to anyone at the club or any fans that without a goal scorer being brought in during january we wouldn't stay up, we missed out by a handful of points and the club lost millions in revenue. The pro-warne gang let the manager off again by blaming the recruitment team and after we made a change in that area. Not only did we fail to bring in a goal scorer (no guarantees it would have worked, but doing nothing did guarantee relegation) we made one signings crooks and very late in the window. We are at that point again, this time we know doing nothing will likely result in failure, we need more than 1 player and we have the Paul Warne dream recruitment team also the chairman has stated he will support strengthening the squad. NO EXCUSES THIS TIME We need a left wing back, young, with pace, we need a goal scorer (not a headless chicken hard working couldn't score if everyone else left the pitch vassell striker) and we need another central midfielder to cover for the excellent Lindsay and be a replacement for MacDonald when he leaves. Now i expect, where will we get them from, we can't afford it........my answer is this. We have a full-time recruitment manager, whose only job is to scout, identify and recruit players, he is not just starting to look this is what he does every day at work. We need those players and we need them at the beginning of the window, so if we haven't got a list yet and we haven't started speaking to agents then what the F are we doing. Also as stated before we need to look outside the UK as well. If warne is to stand any chance of keeping us up, we need the rest of the club to help him, otherwise another relegation will slip off Mr teflon and that won't be good for anyone (except Mr Teflon).
You really have an insight into what is happening behind the scenes. I'm impressed, although of course, it's all ill-informed guesswork of course.
Just managed to read back page of the tizer we are considering recalling Kayode and Tilt back. Some are saying we want a striker have we already got one ready to come in. Remember Steve Downes and Trevor Phillips they came through the youth system Trevor Womble another. Think about it a young player doing the business up front I would love to see that.
Long posts, why? Signings last 2 windows Tilt waste of a signing. Johansson? Harding & A McDonald both yes. Barlaser yes. Miller no. Sadlier let him get back 1st. Loans Blackman Flo Hirst. Only Hirst I'd play now next 3 games see if he's good enough. Other 2 I'd send back to their parent clubs. Recruitment it's got to be better.
1 'two seasons ago it was obvious to anyone at the club or any fans that without a goal scorer being brought in during january we wouldn't stay up, we missed out by a handful of points and the club lost millions in revenue. The pro-warne gang let the manager off again by blaming the recruitment team and after we made a change in that area. Not only did we fail to bring in a goal scorer (no guarantees it would have worked, but doing nothing did guarantee relegation) we made one signings crooks and very late in the window. We are at that point again, this time we know doing nothing will likely result in failure, we need more than 1 player and we have the Paul Warne dream recruitment team also the chairman has stated he will support strengthening the squad. NO EXCUSES THIS TIME'
Does Paul Warne pay for transfers and wages?
2 We need a left wing back, young, with pace, we need a goal scorer (not a headless chicken hard working couldn't score if everyone else left the pitch vassell striker) and we need another central midfielder to cover for the excellent Lindsay and be a replacement for MacDonald when he leaves.
Where is the money coming from?
3 Now i expect, where will we get them from, we can't afford it........my answer is this. We have a full-time recruitment manager, whose only job is to scout, identify and recruit players, he is not just starting to look this is what he does every day at work. We need those players and we need them at the beginning of the window, so if we haven't got a list yet and we haven't started speaking to agents then what the F are we doing. Also as stated before we need to look outside the UK as well.
And again. You do realise that countrywide travel to 'scout' players is less than easy. But you could have the gru factor and watch 90 seconds on 'UTube' Which is what he thinks that Youtube is called.
We get this every time we are in the Championship. Get better quality, get it done early. If only it was that easy. It's easy to say we pay people so they need to get the job done. They arent magicians. They can only do the best they can with what theyve got. Our wage bill is about a quarter of the average in the division. I'm told it was the sixth biggest in league one last year, so by that measure we over achieved last season. The fact is that other clubs have recruitment teams as well and there arent many secrets out there. Agents make sure of that. Even if we can afford a transfer fee for you, if you are a player and RUFC come on for you with an offer of £5k a week (probably making you our best paid player), but dropping to £3k a week if we go down (and it would be suicidal for us not to build that in), what would you do? I would wait to see if a club in the same division with more to spend and a better chance of staying up is interested. And I would have my agent touting me around and using the RUFC offer as leverage. And I would probably wait until the last minute and to see if a better offer came along before I joined RUFC. That's how it works. So whilst on the face of it what you are asking for doesnt sound unreasonable Derby, it just isnt that straightforward. You are asking our recruitment team to find a gem that nobody else knows about and sign him before word gets out. You want a Championship quality striker to sign for us on a top end league one wage, which is what we pay. Good luck with that.
To answer a previous post regarding where is the money coming from. It’s coming from Mr Tony Stewart. Wether it’s enough to provide us with the quality we need to stay up is another matter.
We need 3-4 players in my opinion but January is a very difficult window to do any business in so hopefully we can get some luck on that front.
smiler to put it briefly we all know financially we should finish in the bottom 3 but some managers unlke Warney give younger players a chance, again unlike Warney get that extra out of the players. Stick or twist? Me twist but TS he's found a manager who'll make do with his uncompetitive budget. Not knocking TS but that's way it is. We'll see Saturday if we can raise our game cause Derby look a young revitalised side under Rooney. Pity crowds aren't allowed in to see Rooney flamboyant as a player looking like his sides are the same as a manager down at the NYS.
Warney is past his sell by date we all know we can not compete financially in this league. The time he has been here not fetched enough young players through 1 is not good enough. We are about to enter the pantomine season of the winter transfer window. The 2 ugly sisters warne and barker will not get a prince lost their glass slipper a long time ago.
Gwru, other managers have left because they knew or found out how tough life would be for them on that budget in this league. Warne has stuck around and given it his best shot. I would say that is to his credit but you obviously dont see it that way. Other managers have recruited sightly past their best players with top level experience to try and survive. Players like Camp, Richardson, Broadfoot, Buxton, Halford, Becchio (briefly), Best, Green, Collins, Wilson, Odemwinge, White, Doyley, Kenny (strangely), Thomas, Derbyshire and others. All past their best because of age or injury. All free transfers or loans but very high wage. All left for nothing except Halford who we got about £50k for. Warnock performed his miracle by packing the side with as much experience as he could afford to get in there and organising them but he knew it wasnt long term viable which is why he didnt stay. And he could get more money himself elsewhere. I think you'll find that the current squad has the lowest average age we have had for many years - certainly since we moved to NYS. Players like Cheo, Wiles, Barlaser, Johansson, Olosunde, Lindsay, Miller etc are not kids but they are ours and they are young enough still to have time to improve and have transfer value. If we can stay up the future will look very bright. If not we still have assets who will do very well in league one or net us good transfer fees if and when sold If Kayode and Cooper are good enough they will get their chance just like Wiles did. And dare I say it just like Lamy did. You never answer it but I'll ask again - who is the only manager out of the twenty or so who have looked at Lamy who gave him a professional contract and a chance in professional football? Warne has shown incredible loyalty and resilience, repairing the club when it was broken after bigger names had walked away and getting us to a place where we have a chance to stay up with a younger group of players and something we might actually build on. But people like you have wanted him out since day one because he isnt a big name like the ones who gave up or turned their backs on us. Nice one. Good support.
