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I agree with C. We brought in what was supposed to be a better calibre of player under Stubbs but a few of them looked like we had made the best money offer but they didnt particularly want to be in Rotherham. I am thinking not only of Dom Ball, but also Jake Forster-Caskey and Scott Allan. I can forgive anyone an off day but they didnt look interested. And let's not forget good old Dexter Blackstock. It's the old quandary - pushing the boat out financially in that way versus signing players who actually want to be here and have something to prove.

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Smiler how come when it goes wrong for a player it is their fault but when it goes well it is great coaching and management. Some double standards here I think. We are told by yourself and a few others that Warne and Barker are very well thought of, they are great coaches and leaders yet Warne failed with Ball and with Purrington to get the best out of them. Ball especially has shown himself to be a very capable defensive midfielder at championship level as for him playing bad for us, he never got a run in the team so how would we know. This is a classic Warne failing, if players he isn't keen on don't perform immediately he drops them, the ones he loves he keeps giving them another chance E.g. Vassell. I don't think he is that good a leader, he is a 'happy days' leader he can deal with things when it is going well if he gets a difficult person to manage he dumps and runs avoiding conflict and doing his job as manager, this includes players that he brought in for big money, Purrington and Tilt. Now as fans we won't agree on every player and that is fine, but for a club with such limited resources we seem to waste some decent players by an inability to manage them. Oh and where is Tompson? Last season when he played at right back (a possible option at the  right of a 3) he was excellent, real fight in his belly, motivated the other players and showed real passion, he lost his dad and we haven't seen him since.

Now i am not saying Warne or Barker should go what I am saying is they are not as good man managers as some people think, they would also benefit with some fresh ideas on the training pitch and on the bench on match days, it is a little chummy, chummy at Rotherham there is nobody there to challenge the group think. 



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I rated Dom Ball. Our defence was never right when he was here. Same with Lamy if he's not better than Adelakun Koroma Flo Miller then I'm watching wrong games. All this good human beings it's wearing thin. I like abit of attitude. Got to go more on quality in the championship. No sick notes that's got to be the starting point. Tilt was the worst signing since Blackstock in terms of signing him when he was injured & length of his contract. Summer window that's the time to release players like Jones but what's Warney do give him another contract. Evans had right idea get shut if not good enough for us.

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'Derby' says ' Warne is a little chummy, chummy and there is nobody to challenge the group think'. Well that may be fair comment but Warne has made the changes and not been afraid to take players out of the team. So much so that in the last nine games he has made twenty six changes. Fresh ideas were constantly been done on the training pitch last season. I have little doubt nothing has changed this season and they will be looking at doing things differently.

I will take a bit of bait from Gwru (aargh) . I would doubt that Lamy is better than Koroma and use this as evidence. Koroma has played twelve times in the championship this season and has scored in three of them. Not sure how many goals Lamy has scored in any form of professional football, let alone the English championship. Oh i know that magic eye tells me Lamy is better than all of those mentioned. Aye of course he is.

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whiston01 Koroma played against us can't remember anything out of the ordinary from him. My opinion he's in a better side than us so it will suit him. For us a winger got to be more of an individual. Full backs & wingers don't support each other for us.

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It does seem to be a touch of deja vu the way things are shaping up. What's this, Warnes 4th season at the helm and the second crack in the Championship? We have many different players, yet the story is panning out the same Now I accept the financial constraints, and the unfashionable appeal of Rotherham, but I am beginning to think the problem may just be man management. Same on field problems but with different players. Signing players with poor fitness records, (and I do understand the reasons why), taking loan players many of whom don't seem to shape up and a regular sick bay of key players when we need them the most. This isn't a criticism, just a comparison of then and now. I'm not calling for Warne's head or making any judgement, but it brings to mind how Warnock took a squad of dispirited, rather undisciplined players, gave them back the will and desire to go the extra mile and we scraped enough points to stay up. Good man management, in my view is clearly the key here.

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Our best winger is Miller. He beats defenders easily and gets into threatening positions. But, as has been said already, his final ball is not always good. However, he has only been used lightly and I think there is more to come from him. Flo Jo hasn't impressed so far but, like most players, his game will improve if the rest of the team gel.

I'm afraid any talk of Lamy in the context of useful wingers is mindless - and I say this having seen him play a great deal more than his champion on here!

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Good Post Calypso

which Warne compounds that by playing the same players despite their performance or they come off the bench in a like for like

blackman either need to be on the bench or go back as well





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Adelakun playing regularly in League 1. Koroma, Miller and Flo playing in the Championship. On that basis I will ask Gwru Where is Lamy playing?

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Lamy free agent as far as I know. Adelakun Koroma Flo Miller surplus are far as Roth U players. Recruitment lacking again. No keeper this season I've seen good enough. No fit winger same.

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gwru wrote:

Lamy free agent as far as I know. 


 And why might that be?



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I hadn't got a clue like other things going on at Roth U

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Is there a slight chance it's because he isn't good enough to be a pro footballer?

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If he was given the chance & wasn't good enough I'd agree but he wasn't. He needs to get match sharp 1st. There's players here now with less ability than him but fit into Warney's good human being philosophy.

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gwru wrote:

If he was given the chance & wasn't good enough I'd agree but he wasn't. He needs to get match sharp 1st. There's players here now with less ability than him but fit into Warney's good human being philosophy.


Answer me this gwru, Who is the only Manager to have had the balls to take a chance on him and give him a professional contract? Therefore giving him more of a chance than any other Manger in professional football has been willing to give him? I don't need a mad ramble, just a straight answer.



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Last word on this. I've seen him ability no question he's got that. It's just Warney's pettiness he'd sooner get loan players in wingers that ended up sitting on the bench. Look at the squad now same no wide players fit good enough.

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Calypso wrote:

It does seem to be a touch of deja vu the way things are shaping up. What's this, Warnes 4th season at the helm and the second crack in the Championship? We have many different players, yet the story is panning out the same Now I accept the financial constraints, and the unfashionable appeal of Rotherham, but I am beginning to think the problem may just be man management. Same on field problems but with different players. Signing players with poor fitness records, (and I do understand the reasons why), taking loan players many of whom don't seem to shape up and a regular sick bay of key players when we need them the most. This isn't a criticism, just a comparison of then and now. I'm not calling for Warne's head or making any judgement, but it brings to mind how Warnock took a squad of dispirited, rather undisciplined players, gave them back the will and desire to go the extra mile and we scraped enough points to stay up. Good man management, in my view is clearly the key here.


There is no doubt the players give 100% for Warney - and that's something good.

But unless we start to get some results (I'm not going to judge that until after we've played Coventry, Derby and Barnsley - all in December) we have to consider the question of if another manager would get better results out of the same set of players before the players lose all confidence and losing becomes a bad habit (just like a win sequence is the opposite).

If we can't start getting wins (one in three at least) by early January - in my opinion, that is the correct time to ask the Warney question and whether we need a 'Warnock' factor to try keep us up, before we spend money on new signings.

We MUST get a left back in January, and another striker unless between now and January we hit some scoring form (Smudge and Freddy getting on scoresheet was encouraging - but it needs to be regular)

Next two games I'll be watching from hiding behind a cushion and hoping for the best, but fearing a scary outcome.

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gwru wrote:

Last word on this. I've seen him ability no question he's got that. It's just Warney's pettiness he'd sooner get loan players in wingers that ended up sitting on the bench. Look at the squad now same no wide players fit good enough.


Well I expected a mad ramble and I got one, seemingly answering a question that nobody actually asked! I only asked a simple question so not quite sure what the problem was in answering it

I'll try again, Who is the only Manager to have had the balls to take a chance on Lamy and give him a professional contract? Therefore giving him more of a chance than any other Manger in professional football has been willing to give him?



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But who was the manager who never gave him a proper chance & got shut last January? Then got Adelakun & Koroma in who weren't up to it. I asked the question to someone I know at the NYS who knows what's going on there. I said why as Lamy gone? He just said don't know but he won't be coming back. Now we've got two more wingers in Flo & Miller same not good enough. My last word on this.

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gwru wrote:

But who was the manager who never gave him a proper chance & got shut last January? Then got Adelakun & Koroma in who weren't up to it. I asked the question to someone I know at the NYS who knows what's going on there. I said why as Lamy gone? He just said don't know but he won't be coming back. Now we've got two more wingers in Flo & Miller same not good enough. My last word on this.


I'll put it a different way, Has Paul Warne given Julien Lamy more of a chance than other other manager in professional football has given him? Yes or No?



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