So many times gwru you say something that turns out to be totally wrong, but as if it never happened just move on to your next bunkum. For the record, after what we saw at MK and Solihull, is it still your opinion that there is no fight in a Warney side? Or were you wrong about that?
I was watching cup match out on BT sports when I said there was no fight in Warney's side we were 3-0 down. It was crazy we had 4 strikers on at one time no width + midfield non existent. We got away with it they tired would we get away with it in league 1?
We came from 2 down to win at MK Don's and from 3 down to win last night. You said there is no fight in a Warney side. Were you right or were you wrong?
You've to take into account the opposition we are playing. We didn't get nothing at Portsmouth a better side. Side we started with last night & until Ogbene came on we were lacking something.
We came back from 2 down at half time away from home to win, and from 3 down away from home with 15 minutes to go to win. Even at Portsmouth we levelled twice and were pushing for a third equaliser towards the end despite being reduced by injury to ten men. Despite all of that overwhelming evidence to the contrary, you just cannot bring yourself to admit that at the very least we have some spirit and fight in the team. Do you realise how ridiculous you are making yourself look?
With respect Smiler, i think you are wasting your time making sensible points with Gwru and his mate. I think you once told me the same and i thought you were being harsh. I now realise you were spot on as usual. For what is possibly the best poster on here taking time to explain the wrongs of somebody who in his language doesn't have blinkers on but a blindfold is not what you should be doing imo.
Take a look at his mates latest post on the most recent subject and i think you will see they are cases that cannot be helped. Just let them carry on. In a funny way i find them quite entertaining and hope they continue with the posts.
You are dead right Whiston. What can you do with someone who keeps their eyes firmly shut, puts their fingers in their ears and shouts nonsense at the top of their voice? Gwru might not rate MK Dons and Solihull as opposition but to deny that we at least showed fight in coming back twice to win (whether or not we played well) is plainly absurd. If he cant even bring himself to acknowledge that he truly is a lost cause. You clearly have a higher tolerance level than I have if you find their posts entertaining. In many ways my life was better while the site was down and didnt have to read them. I know that logging on is optional and am wondering why I bother. I think it is because there are enough good posters to make it worthwhile on balance, but I have the details of a couple of counsellors to hand in case I am tipped over the edge.
Are Sunderland a 'better side gwru? Or doesn't coming back from a goal down there in front of a big crowd on a cold Tuesday night to dominate and get a point count as 'fight' either?
Told you I won't go to any away games. Only watched cup game Monday out cause it was on BT sports. We had more fight in the side last season cause we had Vaulks. Players like him at our level are hard to find.
Ridiculous? Your opinion. Not mine. Let's see us against better sides got to be some. Then see if we've got what it takes.
The trouble is GWRU, that if we beat any team, it is because they are NOT good enough in your eyes. However, as you have also said before, you haven't seen any good teams at home yet. You seem intent on finding a way to snipe at the team whatever the result, so the Millers just can't win. (in fact my wife reads this board too and already calls you "the sniper"). Sometimes you need to give credit where credit is due, instead of just looking for something you can moan at, such as finding someone in the team who has had a quiet game( not everyone plays at their best every single match, or stands out even when they are doing their job.)
If you occasionally acknowledge a good result instead of picking holes in a good team performance, you might gain a few friends.
-- Edited by Unifier on Wednesday 4th of December 2019 06:34:29 PM
He doesn't want friends, he courts controversy. He's the forums version of Trevor Kettle & wants it all to be about him. Unfortunately it nearly all is & I've been one of the main culprits. I'm really going to try & practice what I preach & ignore his posts so as to starve him of the oxygen he needs to carry on spouting crap.
I see the good post gang are back in full swing aka the warney walks on water brigade. If you want to be in that little club I am delighted for you he has had a very decent budget this season but if I am being honest his mates are us gang haven't delivered at home. The weather is getting colder nothing so far to keep my frozen toes warm I want to come away from games thinking we have had a go. Carry on gwru we want more people like you on this site it's called Millers Banter I like it when people disagree. As for me bring it on my I love it.
-- Edited by TH MILLER on Thursday 5th of December 2019 07:03:31 AM
It might come as a surprise to you, THM that I agree with you, our home form hasn't been good enough, and you tell me where I have ever suggested Warney walks on water. I understand that you want the best for the Millers, as do most on here, but the fault for everything to do with the Millers does not rest solely on Warne's shoulders. He knows that ultimately he will carry the can if his team does not perform to the owner's expectations, but there are numerous factors that need to be taken into account in achieving a performance.
Getting everybody's attitude right on the day, getting the better of the opposition, including all the positional machinations that entails, and the "luck" factor that nobody can predict, all go into the mix on a match day, so it is impossible to get it absolutely right every time. You can plan for most things and set the team up to counter others, but how everything eventually pans out does have an element of unpredictability in it. That's why football is a funny old game.
Now, I am not privy to what goes on in the dressing room, or indeed at the club, so I feel unable to comment on how good or bad a job Warne is doing, how much money he has been able to throw around, who his best friends are, or who drinks what beverage. The fact is that we are lying fourth in the league at the moment, we seem to have a good away form, and struggle more at home. That suggests to me that he is doing a satisfactory job at the moment, and that a little more vocal support at home, particularly if the team is struggling, would be very helpful. Constant sniping against players does nothing to improve their play, but I can understand fans venting their frustration in this way when we lose. What I don't understand is why someone would want to continually do this even when we win, and/or turn in a good performance. That would suggest that the person's cup is always half empty at best.
I get as depressed as most on here when we don't win, but am philosophical enough to accept that we cannot win every game, and that events will take their course if results don't go as they should. For the present I am happy with the way Warne and the team are performing, looking forward to a win against Rochdale, and an improvement in our home form. Roll on Christmas, and i hope i receive all of the aforementioned presents.
-- Edited by Unifier on Thursday 5th of December 2019 10:30:47 AM
I had a quick look at the stats from the 2013/14 season - the season we were in League One with Evans in charge. After 18 league games that season we had 28 points and had scored 27 goals. After 18 league games this season we have 30 points and have scored 30 goals. In both seasons we got through the first two rounds of the FA Cup. Funnily enough in the Evans season we went out of the cup to Rochdale (who we obviously play in the league this Saturday) losing 2-1 at home. Rochdale were in League Two at the time. We finished fourth that season, and sit fourth at the moment.
Given that on the face of it we are doing better so far this season than we were doing in the same league with Evans at the same point in time, I have tried to think of possible explanations for TH Miller's loathing of Warne and loving of all things Evans. I have come up with a few:-
1. Nostalgia. 2. Selective memory. I don't remember the 4-0 home defeat to Swindon, the 0-0 home draw with Carlisle or the 1-0 home defeat to Peterborough early that season or the cup defeat at home to a league two side very well either. Perhaps we just blank out the things we don't want to remember. 3. Expectation. We had just come up from league two then and were on the rise. Exciting times. Now we feel like we are a division below what we have become used to and perhaps where we expect rather than hope to be. 4. Our league form at home has been patchy, and that is where most supporters see us. 5. Some of us are just attracted to a pantomime villain. 6. TH Miller might be a wind up merchant. I don't know him or her.
Just possibilities. I could be wrong on some of them and might have missed others. As you will see I have amended this post a few times. The possibilities are many. Perhaps it is some combination of all of the above. I don't know. People can make their own minds up if they can be bothered.
Like Unifier and I suspect all supporters who get behind Warne, I don't worship him at all. I think he gets some things wrong. In fact he admits he does (not a trait often associated with Evans). I am critical of him at times. On the whole though he seems to have us heading in the right direction and I would rather support Warne (or anyone else in that situation) than romanticise about a bygone era and knock him at every given opportunity.
Each to their own.
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-- Edited by smiler on Thursday 5th of December 2019 01:55:05 PM
I've told you this before. Evans came in this pub I used to go in with Raynor. Sat on a bar stool just in front of were I was sat. I didn't care for him. He didn't seem to want to talk to anyone. Same pub I've talked to Breck he was fine. One Friday he brought a few of the old players in the late Albert Bennett one of them he was great to talk to. Back to Evans was the football side with him I enjoyed. Those sides he got together to get us out of league 1 & keep us up in the championship were the best times to be a Roth U fan. You can't take that away from him. Warney he's got to match that if we get back in the championship. Don't think league 1 now it's as strong as when Evans got us up from it but championship with our budget it' will be harder than ever to keep us up. I'm willing to give Warney the chance, he's got to have learned from previous seasons in the championship. I've said I want us to go up this season then if we want to stop up we'll have to improve the quality of the side just enough. Small steps I'm asking at a time.
I haven't got a selective memory about Mr Evan's era we did have a few disaster days but here were some brilliant days as well. I just want to see a few games like that. One of the main reasons I have been put off by this manager was all the back slapping that was going around when we were relegated last season. As far as I was concerned the players should have been walking around with sack cloth and ashes on. I was just hoping I would see a few good games on our home patch still waiting.
