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Conundrum, you change one thing that impacts results positively and it sometimes has a reaction in another situation.

 

Hence, we have all seen this phenomenon and one that is counter-intuitive of teams being good on their travels but having worse home records. 

 

Evans answered that question with total simplicity pre our game against Gillingham.

 

Its the Ground and their recent status. simply as that. There aren't many teams in this league with a nicer setup and they love it and they raise their game.

 

PW in last week's interview refused to say what the players in the dressing room were saying about it. I must say, I thought to allude to what must be strong and heartfelt opinions but not share them with the fans left me feeling undermined 

 

I have 2 thoughts: The players are saying what Evans said or they are saying its the atmosphere-the fans. Of course, if it were the former surely he would have said it. He has said it often enough over the last few months. So, no, I think by not saying what it is, he has left himself open to the accusation that the players think the fans are some sort of issue.

 

THEN THAT LEADS ME TO 2 OPINIONS. 

1. WE THE FANS ARENT SUPPORTIVE ENOUGH FOR THEM

2. THEY ARE SUFFERING STAGE FRIGHT.

 

PW made what I think was a pretty ridiculous change when he switched dugouts. Its like A surgeon having a life-saving operation on a different bed coz the last poor sod didnt Make it on that one. 

 

Im not hearing any explanation about tactics and I would like to hear a detailed breakdown of why it is like it is and why its so hard to change. I have my ideas but I want to hear the gaffer say it and not just move seats. 

 

This issue will make or break our season. If he fixes the home form one often sees a deterioration in away form. There have been many examples of that and also of teams going through entire seasons with incredible differences in points tally between home and away. 

 

The simple answer is play home-like away. It seems simple and perhaps obvious but its difficult for two reasons. One the away opposition that comes to NYS will then change its tactics. Perhaps the reason others aren't rolling us over away is that they are faced with the same problem we present to them as a good away team. If they change, we change.

 

Perhaps the answer is just what it is.

 

We are better away than at home and that's because PW doesn't have many choices to make about attacking and he even has to sit in the away end dugout further reducing his stress due to decision making overload

 

 

 

 



-- Edited by ian on Sunday 3rd of November 2019 08:56:29 PM

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Regarding support, the atmosphere has been flat at most home games this season but that reflects the flat nature of the performance.

I feel the first ten minutes in our home games are key. If we come out of the traps quickly like against Coventry then against 90 per cent of teams in league one there will only be one winner. Come out and go through the motions (Wycombe, Oxford, Shrewsbury, Tranmere) then it’s a very long afternoon.

Teams are well within their right to play how they like, it’s up to us at NYS to find a way around it, players like Wiles, Crooks and the forward players need to be braver on the ball and have a shot or try a killer pass. They are good enough to do it.

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It doesn't help the stadium is empty at 3pm shut the doors and bar at 2:45pm get people in their seats .

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Most grounds championship down don't fill up while near kick off. Shut doors/bars at 2-45 we are not back at Millmoor! We aren't going to turn money away.

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Gwru how do you know they arent full you never go anywhere? I do not think it helps having players come out to a stadium where fans cannot be arsed to clamp them on and the same fans ****** off before the end as well

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I watch championship down on sky. Most grounds look empty till near kick off. That's way it is now. I'll tell you why it's flat at home. Manager. You've either got it or you haven't. He hasn't. I'll take anyone to my local a few Roth U fans in there. Not one of them rates Warney as a manager.

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If supporters enjoy a few pints before the match its up to them I do take my seat early If someone wants to turn up 1 minute before kick off I can't see any problem. We want something to cheer most of the home games have been awful that is why the crowd are quiet.

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derbymiller wrote:

Gwru how do you know they arent full you never go anywhere? I do not think it helps having players come out to a stadium where fans cannot be arsed to clamp them on and the same fans ****** off before the end as well

 I agree with you Derby.  Twice in one day!  People who pay their money can do what they want, but if we want to do our bit to get the result we all want to see a bit more enthusiasm in the ground between 2.45 pm  and 5 pm wouldn't go amiss.

 



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Smiler this is getting strange lol

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Derby & smiler lighten up. Wish I was in my pomp I'd be drinking em dry crawling up them steps just after the kick off! I don't agree with the pre-match warm up. Sooner players be in the dressing room watching the racing.

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Derby - no it isn't. And I dont need you to tell me when something is or isn't funny. There, that feels better for me and hopefully for you too.

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Don't understand the last post Smiler seems rather silly.

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derbymiller wrote:

Don't understand the last post Smiler seems rather silly.

 It was a light hearted joke.  The joke being that after agreeing with each other twice in a day and you saying it felt strange, we might both feel better getting back to disagreeing with each other as usual.  I'm not sure now whether you really didn't pick that up, or whether you have brilliantly kept it going.



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Smiler most of what I do is not brilliant but yes I was trying to keep it going

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I agree Ian. I get tired of hearing the same old drivel week in week out from all managers, very general sweeping statements...I want to hear technicalities . If you're a level 4 coach surely you'd be flaunting the knowledge. Look its great how Warney carries himself in the media but every time he is in the public domain he's putting himself in the shop window. If he wants a bigger move and for fans to stop this questioning he needs to be more intricate pre and post match.

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Agree Ex. I have been doing some random research on you tube just watching mangers interviews. There is certainly a whole different class of insight and knowledge at premier league level and the mangers want automatically to talk strengths and weaknesses. Its what they see and how the judge themselves. There is also a much greater seriousness and focus in the eyes and answers from most top league managers. Rarely do ones hear an excuse from a top league manager. They may argue the toss, and get mawdy and angry but its still informed at times. Also, they are much clearer as to pick out praise for individuals and how their system worked or didnt. I just dont hear enough of that from PW. Am I expecting too much? I dont think so actually. As you pointed out he has been around football all of his life and so I would expect and want him to transmit a little more of his knowledge to the fans. Does he lack confidence or simply not think too tactically/ Perhaps he thinks the fans arent interested or too stupid?

Anyway, Im still wondering as to peoples opinions about home Vs away form especially when its counter intuitive. Of course the top few in any league tend to have very balanced points totals, and some are strong at home but predictably weal away. However, when you are much better in both performance and results away from home Id really like to hear more as to why he thinks this is (minus the position of the dugout).



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ian wrote:

Anyway, Im still wondering as to peoples opinions about home Vs away form especially when its counter intuitive. Of course the top few in any league tend to have very balanced points totals, and some are strong at home but predictably weal away. However, when you are much better in both performance and results away from home Id really like to hear more as to why he thinks this is (minus the position of the dugout).

 When you strip football back to basics and consider the difference between playing home or away, there's very little difference. The key factors that could give home sides an edge include the crowd (Liverpool proved yesterday what a massive advantage that can give), familiarity with the environment, particularly the pitch and the lack of a long journey.  I'm not sure how much weight I'd give to the latter two points as most grounds are now of a very reasonable standard and travel is now so comfortable that it's unlikely to affect players adversely.

That leaves the crowd.  It's well known that Rotherham is a quiet venue and, perhaps due to our recent tortuous Championship experiences, we are quite a nervous lot anticipating that at any time fortunes may turn against us. I definitely get the feeling of anxiety before most home games and particularly if we don't score early.

I reckon this same tension affects the players mentally and perhaps sub-consciously.  That tension might materialise in the team playing conservatively for fear of making mistakes. Whereas if the team played with more flair, using their superior skills compared to the opposition's, chances are they would likely be more successful and I would definitely appreciate the spectacle more from an entertainment perspective, even if we lost. 

This is a management issue but it's a tough one to crack. I'm reminded of that great Newcastle side managed by Keegan with Asprilla, Ginola, Ferdinand and Beardsley which played fabulously entertaining football but failed to win anything resulting in Keegan leaving. It would take a brave manager to tell the team to go out and entertain, knowing that the price of failure might be his job?! 

 



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