I don't think the Warne supporters think he walks on water, it's their opinion they feel at the moment as he is our manager he deserves support. Others including myself believe that on the basis of the recruitment, formation choice, game tactics and the current form of the team he is running out of time.
Your broken one gru. Paul Warne brings stability, sensibility, intelligence and knowledge of the game as a professional. Would you claim to possess any of those qualities gru? Go on, give everyone a laugh and tell everyone that you do.
TC I'll give you stability incl' for were ok or never will be. Rest no. Tactically no idea, indecisive. Recruitment he doesn't make most of his budget. That's just scratching the service.
-- Edited by gwru on Wednesday 30th of October 2019 01:34:40 AM
TC where is the stability when we were relegated after the players and manager had spent a month congratulating each other how many cleared off. From where I am sitting the only loyalty they have is to there wallets. As a humble supporter the least I can expect is to see some effort on the pitch. We shall see on Saturday who is the better manager my guess is my old friend and yours Steve Evans.
TOP CAT can you justify your statement that Paul Warne brings stability, sensibility, intelligence and knowledge of the game as a professional
Where does he bring
Stability
Sensibility
Intelligence and Knowledge of game this bit has to be from a point of view because on current form and record he is showing a lack of knowledge and intelligence especially in tactics and formations.
Quick question for those of you who want a change:
If we got a new manager in, how would you react if he loses 2 home games in a row or, heaven forbid, picks a team or formation different to the one you would have picked ?
Firstly let me say that not wanting him sacking is not the same as thinking that Warne walks on water. It is obviously possible to have an opinion that sits somewhere in between those two extremes. Sites like this tend to polarise opinion, but I suspect that the majority of supporters sit somewhere in that middle ground.
We were disappointing against Oxford and poor against Wycombe. There is definitely lots of room for improvement. The players look like they are very nervous in home games and seem not to be enjoying playing in them. That needs addressing. Most supporters only see home games so our indifferent form at home brings added pressure
Having acknowledged all of that that, can we have a reality check?
Completely discounting the 3-2 home win against Donny in the Waste Of Time Trophy, we have won three of our last five league games. In the process we scored nine goals and have conceded four. We are a third of the way through the season. We are just about in the upper half of the table with a game in hand on six of the teams above us and are four points off a playoff place. We have played far more sides near the top of the division than sides near the bottom of it. A week ago we outplayed and comfortably beat the team at the top of the league on their own turf.
We have potential to do better and the manager clearly knows that. He says so. He is obviously aware of our deficiencies. He says he will work hard to address it. I don't doubt that he will do all in his power to do so, and he has taken us out of this division before after a start not dissimilar to the one we have had this time round. Whilst some of our lay supporters may not agree with all of his selections, tactics or substitutions (we all have our own views on those things which is fine) it is a massive overreaction to label him clueless, a coward, a clown etc and frankly disrespectful to someone who is a former player, and someone who is now a reasonably experienced manager with (I suspect) many more qualifications for the job than the 7,000 Rotherham supporters in the ground last Saturday have between them.
Sacking the manager at this time in the light of all of the above is not, in my humble opinion, the right thing to do.
smiler I'll give Warney a chance. I can't see an alternative out there. We aren't going to pay for someone like Ainsworth that's if he wanted to manage us. Just Warney must know by now what works or doesn't work for us. Think last Saturday some players were feeling the effects of the Ipswich game. We should be strip fresher at Gillingham.
The manner of our defeats has been concerning especially last Saturday. When we play the teams further down the table they’ll be even worse in terms of time wasting/slowing the play down. It’s very concerning that we are nearly in November and still haven’t found a way or a plan B to combat this approach from other sides who come to park the bus at NYS.
In the past when games are tight or we haven’t looked much of a threat from open play we’ve usually been pretty good from a set play. This season our free kicks/corners are lucky to beat the first man and we may as well give the opposition the ball when we take a throw in. Be interesting to see if this is worked on in training.
Wouldn’t shock me at all if we beat Gillingham Saturday but lose 1-0 against Accrington in our next home game.
I don't doubt for a single second that we are working in training on breaking down packed defences and also on set pieces (for and against) amongst other things. Hastie is the best dead ball exponent followed by Barlaser. When they aren't on the field we seem to struggle for good delivery. Wiles looks very low on confidence.
Can't have players in the side just to take free kicks. Hastie looks a passenger in open play. Clarke more to offer can take inswinging corners from the right. Barlaser have we seen the best of him?
I didnt say that either should be in the side for that purpose gwru. You are very quick to change your tune though. Two or three weeks ago Hastie was a world beater and Clarke was too small and a waste of money. You do have a habit of either building new players up and then knocking them down very quickly or on the other hand writing players off immediately only to decide that they are actually the answer. With you, the best players are always the ones who havent yet had the opportunity to do anything wrong (Hinds, Cooper, Kayode). With the greatest respect, you do have to make allowances where human beings and particularly young and inexperienced players are concerned. They will make mistakes and their form will go up and down. Clarke has done well recently but he isn't Ryan Giggs just yet. Hastie made a fantastic start with us, and he hasn't become a bad player overnight. A bit more even handedness wouldn't be a bad thing.
I must admit what they are practising in training when it comes to corners and free kicks isn't working. And what is happening with throwins when the receiving players act as if they don't want the ball. Yes we had throw in experts in vaulks and arnie
To me there is something wrong some where. No one can excuse the NO SHOTS on target and the repeatedly poor performances donny Tranmere lincoln at home and bristol away Yes we played well at home v coventry and Ipswich away.
Warne has to get this inconsistency sorted and fast and the fact he doesn't seem to have the answers . Make me.think he has gone as far as he can unfortunately
He has tried 4 3 3 with no result now 4 4 11 again nothing playing 1 up front never works as Smith is often stranded.
He has revert to 2 up frontplay 4 1 3 2
With players in their proper position stop doing square peg round holes .
The next 3 games will be the measure
I said if Warney eliminated what's not working I'd give him a chance but if nothings changed I assume he doesn't know how to change it. Last Saturday you've got to take into account it was the 3rd game in 8 days. Smith was said have put it all in at Ipswich so should be fresher at Gillingham. It's simpler to say what did work last Saturday. Iversen he did what he had to do. Ihiekwe & Lindsay did nothing wrong. Ogbene 1st H on the left was a threat. What stood out that didn't work no right winger all afternoon. Crook & Wiles well off their game. Subs Hastie & Morris brought nothing to the game. I can see were Hillsborough is coming from 2 up front. I'd have Lamy on the right. Lindsay Barlaser central midfield. Clarke left side midfield. Smith Ladapo up front. Hoping Robertson he's fit. I'd have Hinds at least on the bench to give Mattock a wake up call.
Firstly it is not for one person to tell another person who to respect and who not to respect, it is up to the individual who they decide to respect or not and the reasons why they do so. Also using a negative adjective to describe your personal opinion of an individual doesn't always mean you do not respect them either. It is interesting that we talk about certain players coming to us and playing well and then their form drops off, I think Hastie was quoted, doesn't this support the argument that something is not right in the management of the players and the coaching? I think Warne would be a much better manager if he cut out all the good human being crap and focused on creating a win at all cost mentality, after all this is a competitive sport where gamesmanship exists at all levels and the best teams do it a lot. If he looks in the mirror and gets additional support from the wider football community and cuts Barker free I think he could improve the team and his managerial record at Rotherham, if he is stubborn and sticks to his current approach his time at Rotherham may not give him another transfer window.
On the matter of new players, Hastie seems to have had a dip in form. Is that symptomatic of a general deficiency in the managerial/coaching team? I dont think so. Other players have joined us and had slower starts and gradually improved. I would cite Lindsay as the most obvious current example. There are many others who have improved significantly as players under the current management team. I think short term form can go up and down for a variety of reasons, and that we as supporters may not always get to know them. On the other matter, you can't shut down the free speech in the name of free speech now, can you? Where would that leave us? Calling someone a clown, coward , clueless is clearly disrespectful. Warne deserves respect even if you dont rate him as a manager. That's my opinion and it's one I'm perfectly entitled to express.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion smiler. We have different views of the issue of respect, not the first time we have differing opinions and it will not be the last. I am sure if we ever met we wouldn't want to spend more than a minute in each others company. That is fine as we cannot all get on. On the football front you always talk and make statements as if you have special knowledge about what goes on at the club, this might be true but I suspect you do not. I hope we win and play well on Saturday and we build on that over the next few games, to be honest it is more hope than faith. I will not call for Warne to go, there is no need to, his approach to management is likely to resolve the issue sooner rather than later.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion smiler. We have different views of the issue of respect, not the first time we have differing opinions and it will not be the last. I am sure if we ever met we wouldn't want to spend more than a minute in each others company. That is fine as we cannot all get on. On the football front you always talk and make statements as if you have special knowledge about what goes on at the club, this might be true but I suspect you do not. I hope we win and play well on Saturday and we build on that over the next few games, to be honest it is more hope than faith. I will not call for Warne to go, there is no need to, his approach to management is likely to resolve the issue sooner rather than later.
I have a little bit of inside knowledge Derby but don't claim anything I would call special knowledge, and I couldn't care less whether you believe that or suspect or don't suspect it to be the case.
You suggested that Hastie's dip in form might be due to poor coaching. You have picked poor coaching out of a wide range of possible explanations despite evidence of other players improving after joining us, but then you would because you make no secret of the fact that you don't think much of Warne and think even less of Barker, and you don't generally need much of an excuse to knock them.
You often remind us that you haven't called and will not call for Warne to be sacked. I am not sure why, but it matters not. You have at various times called him incompetent, clueless, gutless, more like a coach driver than a coach, a clown etc. You have said that if we stick with him we will not go anywhere. You have described us as being lumbered with him. Whether you call for his sacking or not you have made your opinion very clear.
Now you have, not for the first time, predicted Warne's eventual demise. Hardly a wild prediction since most managers (even some of those considered great managers of our time like Mourinho and Klopp) eventually get the bullet. Indeed Warne's tenure is now way longer than the modern average so on one view his sacking is probably overdue
If and when Warne does get the sack perhaps you could start another 'told you so' thread?
-- Edited by smiler on Friday 1st of November 2019 08:10:46 AM
Warney he's losing it what little he had. Tizer today he's still on about being interested in Grant Ward another sick note who went to him what was greener grass. Let him chew on that. TS sort it out.
Still only 4 points off playoffs though guys... I'd take that if it's still the same in January - add a couple more players.
I wouldn't change much other than telling the team to have a go at home and take players on and increase our pace of attack from when we get the ball at the back.
