I don’t see this getting any better as much as I’d like it to. The currenct coaching staff lack any sort of plan to change things up when the game is going against is. Our go too sub is Macdondald if we are losing, drawing or winning. We are so predicatble even to us fans so teams must be easily working us out.
i think the nicey nicey approach has had its time. Course you need good lads who care but where’s the fire or passion? I listened to Lindsay’s interview after the game and he sounded fed up already. The players seem fed up the fans are fed up and bored stiff so I think it may be time to move on from PW as much as I hate to say it.
I have some sympathy with your post C. However, when you look at yesterdays line up where was the personnel to change things. On the bench we had Smith and Olosunde, who he used to try and change what we were doing. Olosunde gave us a better attacking option than Jones and it could be argued Smith gives us more threat for knock ons. The rest were Price, Wood, Barlaser, MacDonald and Lamy. Now i don't think it takes a genius to realise Lamy is a work in progress and is getting match day experience and it will be cup matches that he is played in first. I hope his time will come, but Vassell and Ogbene when fit will feature before him. I am no fan of MacDonald but i will give him time to show me if he has anything to offer.
We have let Proctor( injured hip again), Yates, Palmer,Hinds and Kayode go on loan.. None of these would have got game time or made any difference to us in my opinion. We let a lot of players go in the summer, including money for three, Ajayi, Purrington and Vaulks. We also let the four wide men go, Williams( the biggest flatterer i have seen in a millers shirt), Newell, Taylor and Forde. Williams has started twice but subbed both times at half time.That says it all about him. Forde gets on for a few minutes as does Newell. Only Taylor has played a few full games and we all know he is very inconsistent. So this is very much a side selected by Warne and his men. He lost a lot of physical strength in the middle of the park in Vaulks and Ajayi and for me this is where we are struggling to match up to the physical challenge in this league. MacDonald, Crooks ,Wiles and to a lesser extent Lindsay get out fought.
Do we give Warne and co time to sort it out? I think so because it is very much Warne's team and we are less than a quarter into the season. If we go for a new manager now, he has only these players to work with until January. That is very short sighted in my opinion. Warne has selected a young team with an eye on the future. I think we have to give him this season and see where we are then. I do realise this is a results base business but sometimes you have to see the bigger picture. A top ten finish would be acceptable and a top six finish achievable. I just hope he is given time and we as fans show a bit of patience in the good man Warne.
A change it's got to come. Going nowhere under Warney. Last transfer window in midfield apart from Lindsay & totally up front for the money we had a shocking return. After keeper/centre backs rest of the spine of the side is missing.
Whiston you make some good points. Warne will be judged on results end of, the results are an outcome of his and his chosen coaches ability to manage a professional football team. He has been here now for over 2.5 seasons everything about this squad is to do with Warne. His handling of david ball, dominic ball and purrington was awful and shows a man incapable of dealing with difficult man management situations. Dominic ball would have made an excellent defensive midfielder and purrington was a better long term option than mattock. I would also like to point out that warne contradicts himself with this good human being crap as mattock is no angel remember the assault case. For me the 1960's summer of love commune he calls a football team is going only one direction and that is down. You say give him a full season, what and allow him to be the only manager in modern football to have 3 relegations under his belt for the same team?? I agree now is not the time to remove warne but it is time for the owners to step in and make a change. Barker needs to be sacked IMMEDIATELY, warne needs to be told to cut out the nice guy act and we need more experienced number 2 at the club. If they do not act this will get worse.
I agree with your points about Dominic Ball and Purrington Derby but i think Warne was proved correct to let David Ball go, if you look at his efforts with Bradford. I also take your point about Mattock. Now for the knee jerk reactions. The only place we are going is down and he will be the only manager to have three relegations on his cv for the same team. Sack Barker you say as well. I will say again Barker is a very highly regarded coach and that is one of the reasons we get highly rated youngsters like Hastie and Barlaser at the club. We are currently in mid table after playing nine games. We have struggled against the teams above us that i will grant you but to say we will be relegated is nothing short of ridiculous. You do not have to be a dictator or hard task master like Evans to achieve success. Warne has a very different style and one that sits easier with me i will admit. We have tightened up the defence and he has realised he needed some wide players. Injuries have played a big part in our stalling position. Lets get the players back and see where we are in a few months time. The negativity on this side is a worry. I am an old man but i have fully enjoyed the last couple of years under Warne. He has earned my loyalty and he will not get any of this putting the boot in from me.
It's not Barker. Warney team matters he's got the final say. Assistant managers aren't going to make much difference. Look at Sheff U Knill was next to useless here but he's crawled his way into what now will be a well paid job there.
Gwru assistant managers are useless really ??? That is so funny
Whiston sorry my original post was not really clear. I mean that at the moment we are declining (down was the wrong word) and if we do not act and wait until the end of the season we could be in a relegation situation. As for Barker sorry there is no way he is a good coach we have no idea how to deal with a throw in our players lose possession so often at throw ins , we cannot change tactics during a game, we have no plan B at all, we play players out of position, zonal marking is not working at set pieces but we stick to it and our own set pieces look fancy but achieve very little. We are not scoring goals or looking likely to and it is clear from interviews that warne is struggling and the players confidence is very very low. Insanity is defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result, that is warne, barker and hamshaw.
I will give it a rest after this post and let others have a good go. I have to respond to Gwru's post about Alan Knill. I know Ryan Taylors mother very well and she said to me on numerous occasions that Alan Knill had the biggest influence on his career. Ryan said he advanced his game and he was a tremendous coach and easily the best he had played under. Alan's problem was, he was no good with the media. When Warnock managed Rotherham he had very little influence on coaching,that was left to his number two Blackwell who is an excellent coach. So number two's do play a massive part in some set ups as does Barker in ours.
Derby read what I say. I said Knill was next to useless for us. Barker will go when Warne goes. You can't do anything if you haven't got the tools to do the job. We haven't got a full set. Whose takes the blame for that?
whiston01 it's only hearsay what your saying. I could tell you what Barker said about current situation at the club from what he said to a life long supporter I know which I believe to be true but same it's not from the horses mouth. From the outside Knill didn't have any go in him. Can't remember anything he did for our club to remember him by.
When A Scott was manager he wouldn't play Pringle. Evans took over rest it's history. Warney 2 seasons ago preferred K Moore Proctor Da Ball to JCH. No argument with K Moore but other 2 no way. Goal Johno scored yesterday we haven't got anyone who would have scored it. Could it be history repeating itself: manager.
To me the clock is ticking for Warne management style and tactics areunder intense scrutiny from fans both for and against him.
Warne built this house of cards of both playing and non playing staff.
He can't be blamed for injuries no matter the cause. But he can held accountable for everything else.
I like myself thought dom ball despite his alleged attitude issues should have been given a better chance at the club purrington same. They hardly got match time And because they didn't fit the current managers approach were loaned out and gone.
Can anyone say the current batch of.players are any better with a few exceptions
Crooks no no no
MacDonald no
Ladapo no mainly because he is been played in a system that doesn't play to his style
Morris did sweet.fa last time and done no better this time so far
So in my opinion the blame for the dreadful style of play, team selection, and training methods are down to Warne and Warne alone. Only he can change things. If he doesn't quickly then I don't think he will be here come Xmas. It's a shame but results count the chairman has ambition I don't doubt Warne has but so far what we have seen on the pitch the performance doesn't match that ambition. It's.been poor and boring no wonder the opposition fans keep singing well sing our own.
Our fans have nothing to sing for there is no passion, no commitment, no idea on the pitch.
I believe he will you have 2 or 3 matches to sort it out
Heresay is information from other people which cannot be substantiated. For example rumour. Well let me say this, Ryan Taylor was looked after superbly by Alan Knill and flourished. When the legend Ronnie took over he concentrated more on the older players and the youngsters went on the back burner which was fair enough. Knill felt Ryan needed toughening up and sent him to Wincobank gym to box and toughen him up. He wasn't half bad as a boxer either. It is no surprise that young players like Brookes have flourished at Sheff Utd with Knill in the set up. I can assure you what i am saying about Ryan and Knill is not heresay and you can repeat it any circles you wish because it is fact.
Hillsborough mentioned Dom Ball. When I Ist saw him with Fisher rated both. Stubbs signed them along with Vaulks. Only problem was he also signed Blackstock Forde Taylor. Like Warney now good signings were dragged down by signings not good enough.
whiston01 you are blinkered. Ryan Taylor in the end was no different to Fisher ect... in the end he * off. Money talks, didn't do much after that. Regards Brooks a talent like that doesn't need much coaching. Not many are born with it. Rest have to work at it.
