If we pick players to go on the bench with no intention of giving them even 10 mins how does that motivate players? How can playing two players out of position and not changing the approach that has not worked for 70 mins at home against a team that had sussed out your plan A good management? You are correct smiler we are guessing but we are allowed to do that as we are paying customers. I do not think we are big time charlies or have the right to beat teams, however I do not judge on how good a team is based on where they finished 2 seasons ago with a completely different management team and squad !!!!! As fans we can expect to be entertained, for us to try and win our games at home and for us to be able to have a plan B. I would also suggest that TS will not be happy with us being13th at Xmas after all the players he has bought for PW so we have to improve, let us hope we do.
After a very busy week i can finally settle down and put a post on the site.
Yesterday we saw a typical division one side come to New York Stadium. They wanted to slow the game down, get men behind the ball and stop us scoring at all costs. They were very happy with the point and i can only remember Iversen having one real save to make. That can be expected as we are a biggish fish in this division one pond. Only Bolton out of the four have come and had a go. The other three wanted to shackle us and pick up any bits that came their way. All three that defended have taken points back with them. We now have to find a way to beat these dogged teams.
A few on here seem to think it's either the fitness, the manager, the lack of tactics or the poor quality of recruitment that is the problem.. Let us not forget that this is a very young team (average age around 24) which lacks experience. A few weeks ago people were saying we need a defensive coach, that seems to have dropped since we have only let two goals in from our last three games. Gwru says Ladapo is a waste of money and Smith is the only striker at the club. Strange that, when you consider Smith has never scored more than thirteen goals in a season and averages around seven, yet Ladapo scored eighteen last season and has scored three in eight for us. You are a betting man Gwru. I will bet you that if Ladapo stays fit and plays in forty games he scores fifteen plus for us. Money goes to charity name your stake.
Yesterday we lacked that bit of quality and imagination to break down the 'Shrews'. It was unfortunate that the best chance of the game fell to Morris, who in my opinion is a very good player but like Smith not a natural finisher. Hastie and Wiles didn't give us the outlets we craved for to get them on the back foot and get the ball into the dangerous areas Ladapo thrives on and will score from. I have called for patience before and will call for it again. This is a long season with many ups and downs still to come. We have the management team and a developing squad to go very close. My glass is still half full.
It really was as awful a game as one could watch at this level. Shrewsbury was the better side and we had no answer to their better passing, speed, and strength. My conclusion is either one adopts the idea the players' aren't good enough to challenge in this league or one continues with the mantra that they need time. It seems to me that the mantra is much less a robust equation and so Im still suggesting that the players' arent up to it. And, I am sorry to say there is no hiding place for the management team.
I had no feeling form the 1st minute to the last that we could score. Hastie did deliver the ball quite well on half a dozen occassions- several strong and low crosses into great areas and two fabulous central passes. The truth is no one bar smith can profit from those. The game was crying out for the two strikers to be taken off and back to smith up alone. However, we are so weak in midfield with gaps everywhere and hardly any examples of players close enough to support each other that the observation that we played neat football at the back and across midfield seems redundant to me.
I have time for the idea Ladapo is poacher of sorts but from what ive seen he receives the ball about 2o yeards out and his only trick is to push the ball across the 18-yard line until he can see the goal. Sometimes thats nice to watch but in all honesty most defences are quite happy to see a forward run horizontally and push them wide so its hardly a matter of skilful application.
Crooks is dreadfully ineffective and seems to have little idea that the name of the game is to get the ball forward. Lyndsey was MOM by a country mile for what its worth.
So with the players PW has brought in I think we are screwed this season.Lower Mid tale will be about where we finish on current show.
We have gone into games before without our full permitted number of subs. I dont think its beyond the bounds of possibility that Lamy was named as a sub and well understood that he was unlikely to play but it gets him involved. A couple of days ago Warne said Lamy was a couple of weeks away from being ready. I dont think theres anything untoward about any of that. I've read a few Shrewsbury-centred reports and I've not seen anyone from there suggest they were the better side yesterday. Everyone can have an opinion and I suppose it depends what you mean by 'better side' but we had nearly twice as much possession, had more than twice as many attempts on goal, had twice as many efforts on target and forced more than twice as many corners as the opposition. I'm struggling to come to terms with the idea that they were better than us by any measure. At the end of the day Shrewsbury couldnt care less about our entertainment. It isn't easy to be entertaining against a team that gets everybody behind the ball and slows the game down constantly. The way they played it was never going to be an exciting game unless or until we got an opening goal (which we weren't able to manage) to.force them to open up a bit. Ten of the eleven who played for us yesterday were in the team that excelled at Sunderland. They haven't gone from an excellent team to a terrible one in five days. As supporters we need to be a bit more patient. It's easy to complain and criticise but today I've read some supporters saying we should have played three up front, some saying Smith should have been played as a lone (loan?) striker (how much stick has Warne had before for playing one up front at home?). Some even seem to think we did play three up front yesterday, which we obviously didn't. They all think they are right but they can't all be, can they? Management is a very easy from a seat in the stand or an armchair.
Smiler why do you keep trying to have a go at fans that care and comment on the team? We are not managers and neither are you so why is your opinion right and others wrong? Perhaps we all make good and valid points sometimes and we are all wrong sometime too. I will be interested to see what your excuses are for the management team if we do not improve. I actually do not think we are a long way off, the point from Ian (i think) that we are a young side is a fair point and realistically we should judge after 12 games 25% of the season. My fear is at that time we will still be making the same mistakes which the management team have made for over 2 seasons, if after 12 games we are looking better and winning a few at home and in the top 9 then ok, let us then see where we are by xmas. My target this year is top 8 and exciting positive football where we look to win the difficult games against negative teams at home. I still think the coaching and tactics at the club is a weakness and we need to strengthen the bench with that, but of course it is easy sat in my seat. 😁
I am genuinely surprised anyone really thought Shrewsbury were the better team, but if that is what Ian thought that is fine. I don't think Ian would be offended by me saying that. I don't think I was offensive in any way. I don't think I told anyone to get their head out of their arse or anything like that 😁. We are all frustrated after a game like yesterday and everybody has different and sometimes very strong ideas about who should have played and in what formation but not everyone can be right. People are all convinced theirs is the right opinion but it is, by definition, very very easy to be wise after the event. The selections that we think would have won the game might actually have lost, but we will never know will we? So whereas Warne can be criticised because his was the only choice actually tested, ours weren't and we can go on believing we know better. That's my point.
By the way Derby I dont mind telling you now that if we are poor and strugggle towards the bottom of this league this season I won't be offering any excuses and I would expect the Chairman to make a change. I wouldn't say even then though that it had been wrong though to give Warne and Barker this season to have a go. With hindsight, if that comes to pass many will say it should have been changed sooner. As we sit in our armchairs today though, sticking with them and giving them time to get this group going is the right option. You can quote me on that.
Looks like we're on autopilot - very predictable and I don't know what we've spent but all very average. Extremely disappointed in Ladapo so far and we won't boss any game with any combination of Barlaser, Crooks (who is VERY poor) and Macdonald (who is not the same player I saw at Bournemouth). When we get frustrated we do exactly what a youth team does - the dribblers just dribble and lose it, stop moving the ball or playing passes that are more in hope than a pass that has a meaning. Wiles and Lindsay I'm not sure they should be on the pitch together, but we won't get the best out of either those unless we have 2-3 behind able to go box to box. Either of those 2 could get double figures goals but they need to save their energy for the final third and not dropping way deep.
Got no complaints over Shrews spoiling tactics - we all do it. The referee should have set precedent though and booked that goalkeeper with 20 minutes to go.
Time to make a change last season was boring there was a decent turn out on Saturday who deserved a better performance than that bucket full full sick we had to endure . Watch this space Phil Parkinson our next manage
Smiler only thing I disagree with in last post is that they should get all season no matter where we end up, this is their 3rd full season and the squad is full of their players, they show no sign of learning (perhaps being teachers they think they know everything) however we will wait and see
To start with TC if I talk to people it's got to be with someone whose got something about them not runs away to the away dugout. We are stuck now with the players we've got till January. Only way we can play is 4-5-1. Iversen Olosunde or Jones Ihiewke Robertson Mattock Obgene or Lamy Lindsay Barlaser Wiles Hastie Smith. Thinking back defensively Jones did ok seeing it was his 1st game of any sort Saturday. I can make rash judgements but if I get it wrong I'll say so.
Here food for thought I may be wrong but this what I thinks is the situation is
Warne the tactical genius he is .Has said 'I love wingers'. Mmm then why arnt you playing wingers in a 4 or 5 man midfield not the current non.scoring 4 3 3
You currently have hastie a winger playing in 3 up.front opposite ladapo morris or Smith all three of them are central strikers who feed off crosses coming into the bix behind defences . Which they are not at the moment. so yes no wonder we can not score against spoiling teams the formation we are playing is unable to unlock teams who park the bus.
So you had 4 on your books who have all stated they wanted more playing time. Was one of the reasons they left.
So because of your recruitment policy you went for 3 up front having to use what you had bought with the money from vaulks ajayi sale. Now whether you was as you stated waiting for the right player to become available.or not. Why risk it on those 2 players god knows if they hadn't become available and hastie is very likely to be recalled in Jan if he keeps playing.lime he does.
So my opinion of players
Iverson is far better than Rodak by far really impressed
Olosunde great player we missed him Saturday
Ithiewe and Robertson are becoming a good partnership and sound in defence
Mattock in and out of games
Wiles getting better top scorer
Lindsey impressed So far
MacDonald squad player
Crooks not impressed makes too many mistakes alas needs dropping but seems to first name on sheet cos he runs around a lot
Barlaser not decided yet
Ogbene looked good
Lamy not seen
Hastie great shame not ours
Morris and ladapo need the service in the box
We played 442 on Saturday HM. Hastie and Wiles (not a natural but asked to play there) out wide with Morris and Ladapo up front. We have played 442 for the last three games (maybe four - I wasnt at Doncaster to see it).
Ladapo is our top scorer.
It's interesting to see someone say Crooks only gets picked because he runs around a lot. I've heard a lot of criticism of him for the exact opposite reason.
The four wingers who left for more game time have hardly started a game between them so far. Forde, and Newell are frequent bench warmers at Oxford and Hibs respectively. Williams I think has been injured. Taylor is the only one featuring regularly. I still dont miss any of them. Williams at a push might have improved us on Saturday.
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If Shrewsbury felt that setting up the way they did was the way to neutralise Rotherham then that shows more respect for the club than some of the so called supporters on this board. A poor game. Move on.
My wife (who hates football) reminded me yesterday that the only time she ever went to Millmoor wasto see us lose 1-0 to Shrewsbury. They scored in the first minute and sat behind the ball for the other 89 and we could hardly muster a shot on goal. It was about 21 years ago at the start of Ronnie Moore's first spell as manager I think. At least this time we also kept a clean sheet!
I am with Iwasatvillapark 100%. We have got a Chairman who has done wonders for us and a manager who is a good ambassador for us and who is trying to put together a young-ish side to do what we did last time he had us in this league, which is win more than we lose, push towards the top end of the table if we can and hopefully get promoted. The club, chairman and manager deserve support not some of the unfounded, sometimes personal and usually ill-informed garbage seen all too often on here and similar sites every time we lose (or even draw) a football match.