Of ffs gwru stop the jch love in how many times. It wasn't just Warne who didn't pick him.
I watched him.play at hull and he couldn't have been more disinterested just strutted around. When he came back from injury he didn't pull up trees so you can imagine e Warne losing patience and got rid.
Have we missed him would he have made a difference last season. The answer to both is No So please no more.
Smudge has a confidence issue but he will in have to take his chance. That's football why break up a forming partnership.
All I know is JCH had a long term injury would have taken patience if he was going to get back. Last game he played for us Derby at home last game of the season two relegations back he was what we had been missing some presence up front. Crazy we didn't keep him at least get some money for him. He's a talent as I've said only Smith as good a forward we've had. Prove them wrong Jonno, you are.
All I know is JCH had a long term injury would have taken patience if he was going to get back. Last game he played for us Derby at home last game of the season two relegations back he was what we had been missing some presence up front. Crazy we didn't keep him at least get some money for him. He's a talent as I've said only Smith as good a forward we've had. Prove them wrong Jonno, you are.
JCH got a serious knee injury towards the end of his original contract with us. Before he got that injury he had been in and out of the side including Steve Evans' side. Evans shipped him out on loan and said more than once that JCH was wasting his talent.
At the end of the 16/17 season JCH's contract with us ran out. He had missed most of that season with a serious knee injury. Paul Warne decided to offer JCH a new one-year contract and a chance to get his career back on track. He played in a couple of early cup games and made some sub appearances in the early part of the season. He had every chance to claim a regular spot because Proctor was badly injured a few games in and it became clear in December that Kieffer Moore wasn't going to be staying beyond the turn of the year. The 'big striker' role was very much up for grabs.
With that in mind JCH made his first league start at Blackpool in early to mid December. I don't know if you were going to away games then gwru or whether you saw it on the red button, but on a cold December day by the seaside JCH put in (in my opinion) one of the most inept displays I have seen from a centre-forward in a Rotherham shirt. I can always forgive players who play poorly but try hard but JCH could not (again my opinion) have looked more disinterested and he seemed to me to be putting in the minimum of effort. He was hooked at half-time and I doubt he needed to bother having a shower. He was replaced by Jerry Yates and we came from behind to win. Yates helped turn the game around by doing not much more than run around a lot and put some effort in.
We went on to loan JCH to League 2 Coventry in the new year and got Smith in to lead the line.
You can try and re-write history if you want but they are the facts (apart from my opinion on his performance at Blackpool which was an opinion widely held). It fits into your groundless theory about 'Warneys Boys' to pretend that Warne didn't want JCH because his face didn't fit. Why then did Warne give JCH a new contract when he didn't have to? In your comments about Wood you have said that Evans didn't want him, but you ignore the fact that Evans ran out of patience with JCH long before Warne did. You are the one who has criticised Warne when it suits you for giving contracts to players who have had injuries, but you ignore the fact that Warne gave JCH a similar opportunity.
Look back at the history. Warne gave a new contract to JCH and a chance to prove himself. JCH had a perfect opportunity with Proctor injured and Moore leaving. He (JCH) failed to take those opportunities. When he was given the chance he not only didn't take it but he didn't look like he was bothered about even trying to take it. We didn't get a fee for him because his extended contract was running out and he was a player with a poor-ish goalscoring record over a number of seasons who had recently suffered a major injury and didn't seem to have much appetite for the game. Nobody would have paid a fee even if we could have asked for one.
The fact that JCH is now doing well at Bristol Rovers (I am pleased for him) after Coventry also let him go does not alter any of the above facts. He always had the ability and physical attributes to be a good player but we were where we were with him. We gave him more than enough opportunity and he had to move on. Perhaps it was best for us and him that he did.
To borrow one of your irritating phrases, 'tell me different'.
-- Edited by smiler on Tuesday 17th of September 2019 09:18:32 AM
That is a very fair analogy of what happened Smiler. I remember that Blackpool match well and Paul Warne has stated that the second half of that game kick started our season. We played Emmanuell and Mattock as wing backs in a 3.5.2 formation that day until half time. He then took JCH off at half time and replaced him with Yates. We also took one of the three off at the back(cannot remember who) and put Forde on and played in a 4.4.2 formation. David ball scored two in the last fifteen minutes and we all went home a lot happier. I cannot tell you any different Smiler.
That is a very fair analogy of what happened Smiler. I remember that Blackpool match well and Paul Warne has stated that the second half of that game kick started our season. We played Emmanuell and Mattock as wing backs in a 3.5.2 formation that day until half time. He then took JCH off at half time and replaced him with Yates. We also took one of the three off at the back(cannot remember who) and put Forde on and played in a 4.4.2 formation. David ball scored two in the last fifteen minutes and we all went home a lot happier. I cannot tell you any different Smiler.
I think it was Ihiekwe who also came off at half time Whiston. Post-match Warne declined to comment specifically on JCH but said that there were some things in the first half that were unacceptable and alluded to some hard words being said at half time. Something along those lines.
Ihiekwe is an example of someone who wasn't in the side, went out on loan and did well, worked hard and took his chance when it came. That couldn't be said about JCH during his time with us I'm afraid.
The narrative that Warne didn't fancy JCH because he was difficult to manage or not one of his mates or that Warne didn't give JCH a chance is very clearly not borne out by the facts. Warne got a lot of stick at the time for giving JCH the extra year. People have very short and very selective memories when it suits them.
-- Edited by smiler on Tuesday 17th of September 2019 11:20:36 AM
I must have short term memory loss or only remember what I want to. I thought JCH had gone before Proctor Da Ball K Moore arrived at the club but he was still here. But in the defence of Johno if your nose gets pushed out what incentive have you got to play for a manager who doesn't want you. Be like being back at school under Warney that wouldn't have been for Johno. Think start of this year when he started scoring goals he said in so many words I had to leave Rotherham to kickstart my career. As smiler says he had a career threatening injury so would have took him a long time to get over that. He's still only 25 there's a talent there, would say more talent than any of our current forwards. Hope he makes most of his talent. He excites that's rare at Roth U.
Smiler - I hope you feel that your time was well spent in your factual recollection of the 'JCH days' and that your hard work has been aptly rewarded by gwru's assertion that he forgot - or something like that! I admire your patience and dedication to duty but some tasks are beyond even the greatest missionary!
For what it's worth, your ability to string together 6 consecutive words beginning with 'W' was some achievement!!
I was at that Blackpool game the day David Ball saved warnes job. It was the worst 85 mins i have seen in a very long time. Yes JCH was awful and rightly moved on he was not interested at all.
I'm not bothered what anybody says JCH still has scope. Da Ball Proctor Vassell Morris haven't. Smith wouldn't say he's got scope but makes up for it with putting a shift in. Ladapo I'll be surprised if he's anywhere near as good as Johno. Warney couldn't get nothing out of him cause he wants players running round Austria or Gemany drinking tea jumping over cones reading speeches. Talent shines through in the end, only problem it won't be for us.
For the umpteenth time MODERATORS PLEASE MODERATE!
Two posters are just on here determined to wind people up & to deliberately antagonise people by re-iterating the same tired BS clichés, if nothing happens I guarantee this site WILL DIE & give gwru & TH MILLER exactly what they want & are trying to achieve.
Smiler - I hope you feel that your time was well spent in your factual recollection of the 'JCH days' and that your hard work has been aptly rewarded by gwru's assertion that he forgot - or something like that! I admire your patience and dedication to duty but some tasks are beyond even the greatest missionary!
For what it's worth, your ability to string together 6 consecutive words beginning with 'W' was some achievement!!
Thank you Glenn.
As you can see from gwru's subsequent 'JCH has scope, green tea, cones, blah blah blah' post it has made no difference whatsoever. He has blinkers bigger than those worn by some of his National Hunt fancies. Warne offered Jonno a contract despite not rating and not being able to handle him, and Jonno accepted it even though he knew Warne was useless. All the evidence points clearly to it being Warne's fault that Jonno seemingly couldn't be bothered when his golden opportunity came along with Proctor injured and Moore heading back to Ipswich .
The sound that you may be able to hear from your home about 25 miles away Glenn is the sound of a man in the Bassetlaw area banging his head against a brick wall.
My view Warney had the blinkers on: JCH. He was never going to fit in with Warney's way were we are regimented. But the manager he's made up for it getting shut of wingers not up to it & getting two in at least who are.
JCH was fat, lazy and arrogant in the end and sulked all the time when playing sub. He had a decent shot on him but the work rate of an asthmatic pensioner and attitude of a toddler. We are well rid of him. My opinion.
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