Well 5 games into the season, and we are already DOOMED, the man in charge can’t manage a headache, the players brought in are charlatans, never been footballers, and the copy and paste usage on this site is in overdrive!!!! Wow what a season we have to look forward to. Let’s sack the manager, clear out the deadwood we have obviously recruited, along with the deadwood still present, and get another messiah in. Oh wait, transfer deadline shut, no players in or out, could always cancel a few contracts I suppose?? We might just get lucky with appointing someone willing to work with another’s inferior recruited staff, or recruit from the released list where there is a whole feast of players waiting for that last golden ticket to see out their career. Then there is the small matter of the cost doing this! After so little recruitment last season, I’m surprised at the level of recruitment this season. Will finances stretch further to allow the amount of change being asked for, its only someone else’s money, but wait, Bury and Bolton are shining examples of the consequences of not living within their means. It’s been a disappointing start to the season, there is no getting away from that fact, but let things settle and bed in. Come Christmas and there’s no improvement, then the copy and paste brigade just might have a case.
That reasonable and sensible approach will get you nowhere on here Townersrightpeg.
smiler excellent, so because you have no response you throw your toys out of the pram, wonderful. What I do know about you is that you think you are smarter than other people and you always know best, by the way you do not. As for patronising you not at all. I have consistently tried to have a discussion with you but all you do is make statements with no real depth to support your opinion, the last one is two out of the three cup competitions we are in have no value (in your opinion) and so can be ignored from the teams results statistics mmmmmmm perhaps we can remove the Tranmere one as well then because their goal was scored after 90 minutes and in your opinion only the first 90 minutes count, cherry picking to suit your weak argument. You accuse people that criticise Warne as wanting him sacked, yet I do not, I want him to be successful in his job because he is an employee of the club I love and have followed loyally from a boy. As stated I do not think he can do that without help I hope I am wrong, if I am wrong I will openly admit it. I do not believe you are capable of ever admitting you are wrong, perhaps you are a teacher as well and hence why you are so upset.
As you say let us leave it there, we are like the MP's in the houses of Parliament we sit on two opposite sides and will never agree.
Have to agree with Derby's point about the nice guy approach. For me its showing signs of cracking. Now it was the right approach to take at the time in the summer before the last league one season as the club was really low and at the time the only thing it had going for it was NYS. Players would have needed to feel really wanted to stay or sign for us.
But in the present there has to be more home truths and a more tougher attitude on the playing side of things. All those leads lost and late goals conceded last year (and this) aren't anything to do with ability its down to strength of character. I just cant imagine us seeing a game out at the moment as we seem so fragile.
C good point about PW approach in the summer before the last league 1 campaign, there was value in his approach then. people have also said on this thread that by raising criticism we are trying to spend TS money and be careful look at Bury and Bolton. I think TS has fully backed Warne this summer and let him build the squad he wanted, the club is clearly been run well by the board even if we don't always see the logic in decisions (lack of investment last season), we have to give TS a lot of credit for addressing that this summer.
Let us hope we go on a good run and we can all talk about the excellent performances of some of the exciting players we have brought in like Morris, Hastie and Lindsey.
derby I'm not winding nobody up. Nobody is interested same with me about anything else apart from what you say about mainly Roth U on here. I've never rated Warney as a manager, never will. He's only there cause he's the opposite of Olliver won't ask for more.
Derby, no no no. You said I was ignoring cup games because I was trying to skew the results record. I have correctly pointed out that I said before each and every one of then that I thought the result was irrelevant. Before the event, not after it. Do you see? As for patronising, when you start a response to someone's post with 'at last we seem.to be getting somewhere' you shouldn't be surprised at the suggestion. If I misunderstood that I apologise but that was how it came across. You think my opinions are weak. I respectfully disagree. I try not to base them on speculation or guesswork but that shouldn't be mistaken for weakness. Football promotes emotional responses and I think that very many supporters post knee-jerk responses particularly after defeats. I try to be as objective as possible. I dont view it as people being right or wrong. Where opinions are concerned that is problematic. Good luck with the Masters by the way. Education is a marvelous thing at any age. I must dash now, I have some homework to mark.
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-- Edited by smiler on Tuesday 10th of September 2019 05:56:49 PM
I think T.S has actually called in some of his debts this summer Derby, and he has every right to do that. We have sold Vaulks,Ajayi and Purrington for over 4 million and spent around 675K . He has also taken 19 off the wage bill and added twelve. Only time will tell if that has reduced our wage bill but my guess is it will be slightly reduced as it should be when you go down a division. He has put in over one million over the last couple of seasons via sponsorship.I will say again Warne would have wanted to have kept Vaulks and Ajayi but it would have been financial naivety if we hadn't cashed in on them.
Can i just ask one question. Where is the evidence that Mattock doesn't want to play for us as quite a few have indicated?. He was given the captain's armband and in the odd training session i have seen he has looked fit and eager to go.
Some people would say that Warne is squeezing Mattock out so that he can play his mate Wood. I'm not one of them but some would say that. Some people dont rate Mattock at all and others think he was our best player last season. It kind of shows what a tough job any manager has with thousands of other managers passing judgment every week and every one with a different opinion. Whiston, do you think Stewart is taking money back out or might that surplus transfer cash be going towards plugging the spend on wages? We ran at a loss last time we were in this division and perhaps the transfer spend surplus will fill a similar hole this time round.
Some interesting points there Smiler. If you look at past balance sheets T.S put more money into the club via sponsorship. Most chairman in lower divisions do this as opposed to loaning the money to the club. As i said earlier i would hope our spending on wages is a bit less, so hopefully he isn't putting as much money in to cover that. However, when you go down a divison there is lost revenue from T.V and matchday sponsors. My guess is T.S will still be putting money in for everyday running of the club. The amount owed by the club might have come down if he has cashed some of the transfer money. Only a balance sheet for this season will show that one way or the other. I have not put that over well sorry about that.
Thanks Whiston. You set it out it perfectly well. I think these days clubs pay loan fees akin to transfer fees to have players from clubs like Rangers, Newcastle and Leicester so we may have those to cover. All our loan players were in demand and I wouldn't mind getting that fees were payable. I think Stewart might have to be a bit careful with the sponsorship - there is a risk of it being investigated if it goes beyond sensible commercial amounts. I wouldn't blame him one bit if he took a bit back, but I do wonder whether we have a wage bill that our revenue this season would struggle to cover, and whether the capital might go at least some way to bridging a gap. As you say, we shall.find out in due course. Bolton coming here on Saturday will be a timely reminder that we have twice before been where they were recently - a place we dont want to visit again. I am sure we can all agree on at least that.
It was me who posted that Glenn. The information is correct but it was something i shouldn't have made public apparently. I will be apologising to the person who told me but i didn't realise it was sensitive information. The same as publishing the team which again is regarded as sensitive and bad form releasing it. I will not be posting anymore teams or going to the training ground. Perhaps we should let the experts who are on here tell us what the team is going to be or what they believe it should be. It sounds like i have thrown me toys out of the pram Derby.
Sign of the times Whiston. What can or cannot be said about a whole array of issues appears to be more important than the issues themselves. Additionally there's always an array of observers who are willing to give you the benefit of their opinion about what you should or shouldn't be saying! Perhaps we need a resident brief on this site to help us navigate through the choppy waters of sensitive information?
I stand by what I said earlier in this thread, I really do think we have a good set of players now... we just need 'em to click and Warne settle on a formation that works for the full game.
I stand by what I said earlier in this thread, I really do think we have a good set of players now... we just need 'em to click and Warne settle on a formation that works for the full game.
Davidedin - this qualifies as the most sensible post of the season so far - in my opinion - and without prejudice!
I stand by what I said earlier in this thread, I really do think we have a good set of players now... we just need 'em to click and Warne settle on a formation that works for the full game.
Davidedin - this qualifies as the most sensible post of the season so far - in my opinion - and without prejudice!
Enough of the legal mumbo jumbo Glenn. In any case I have heard it said that a statement of mere opinion can not ever be defamatory in which case you didn't need the Without Prejudice caveat. Allegedly. Although in case I am mistaken, any opinions stated in this post should not be relied upon without advice being taken from a properly qualified and independent lawyer. Which I am not.
I agree with you comment about Davidedin's post as well, by the way.
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