On a broader point the club certainly has something to think about. A few years ago we were in league two and nearly dead. We could barely have dreamed of league one football never mind championship football. After some large scale (by lower league standards) investment we are now at the stage at which finishing third from bottom of the championship and being in league one is regarded as unacceptable failure. The truth is that unless we gamble the clubs entire future by breaching the FFP rules or absent some other dramatic change that I cant envisage, bottom five or six of the Championship is probably the best we can possibly ever manage with relegation being highly likely. Supporters who regard being in league one as failure, struggling in the Championship as failure and promotion from league one as 'to be expected' are unlikely ever to be happy because that is where we naturally sit and I dont see that changing. I agree to some extent that there has been a change in mood at the NYS and that there is a danger of it getting a bit stale and attendances falling off a bit. I dont think that is anything to do with Evans versus Warne versus Warnock versus Stubbs etc. I think it's just do with our expectations as supporters and the fact that what used to be exciting (ie top half league one or battling to stay in the Championship) has now become same old same old, and is no longer good enough for some. That's a broad observation by the way Derby and it isn't aimed at you personally in any way. Your point about the Wembley support I think illustrates the point I'm making. If we were in the play off final this season would we take as many down as we did even two seasons ago? Probably not. Why not? Because it isn't really as exciting to be there any more. It's the least we now expect whereas a few years ago it was seen almost as a miraculous achievement. The challenge for the club is how to get to the next stage of our development, or how to keep supporters happy if where we are now (a league one/championship yo-yo club) is the best we can realistically manage.
I think every single manager has supporters and critics before a ball is kicked. Truth is that we are all part logical and part emotional and thats that. I have somewhat of a natural bias against PW and this seems to me to be based on several things I am suspicious of.
I really dont like his good human philosophy. It seems very judgemental and quite churlish to me. I am a believer in people and am not quick to judge. Its hard fo me to imagine the motivation or mindset that would take such a position in terms of footballers and perhaps almost anyone except the most manipulative of evildoers. It leaves me cold and uncertain about his motivation and intent. What on earth is a good person? What is the yardstick and what are the dos and donts. Is it ok to run away with an air stewardess but not be Bible-believing evangelical? Can one be openly against abortion or believe the man didn't land on the moon. Is it ok to be pro Brexit? Do you have to be a vegan or is vegetarianism ok? Am I out if I have a bit of a Temper and got nicked for GTA when I was 16?
I think this is perhaps where some of the ideas come about being in PWs good books. When a person states such an apparently black and white attitude than its not too much of a leap to think he might continue with sifting the wheat from the chaff once he gets to really know them.
The other thing is that a lot of his football is boring. There were good and bad spells in all 3 seasons and thus far, but there seems to be a little bit more of the predictable and boring than I kinds would like to see.
Ive been to all the dinners where PW and others have talked at length and I certainly admire his passion and ability to communicate as well as lots of openness. However, I also feel he could be quite obsessive and demanding and most of all critical while experiencing himself as very kind and supportive. I'll be honest when I heard the interview with our new signing Ogbene I was kinda disturbed. It was like the kid had been indoctrinated even before hed got on the pitch. Humanism. Humanity. Humane. friendly. The love shown. I wanna show Paul made the right decision... When a manager has that belief in you...its a family, humane and the emotional bond is so important, so to be together and a family is like...Now, I realise this is nice and fluffy but I mean its like some kind of mad romanticism bordering on creepy Manson Love (no, i am not comparing anyone to the Manson family lol).
I m also a little upset when he seems to not defend the idea of RUFC. Last season he said far too many times that we are Rotherham and we are playing well beyond our limits every week and supporters should be proud of what we achieve. Again, its not what I want to hear from an advocate of the club. I want to hear either a very professional and considered interview or the kind steve evans gave that made you absolutely happy and excited because he made you believe that he believed we as a club were the best thing since sliced bread. Thats what I want to feel and hear. Real pride and passion, and I think its a slightly different kind that PW offers.
The other parts I like. I like his presentation and his passion. I like it when he talks about improvement and i admire he has an opinion even when I dont agree. I continue to support him as manager though on balance I thought I would have replaced him last season. I am pleased and excited about the way he has set the team up this year but have a few doubts about the ins and outs and also some of the roles he has some players playing. I mean, I think I am really trying to be balanced but Im not sure I should have so many doubts about tactical issues as I do.
Overall I think everyone on here seems to have a reasonable mix of opinion and emotion. So long as there is no direct abuse against someone not giving it back and no predujice then I think its ok to question someones fighting ability in the trenches and whether they can be trusted with top-secret do***ents, or if they prefer womens underwear to Boxers. indeed, i think its rather amusing and thankfully still accepted by most as just Banter.
However, I would like to see rather less name calling and less tittle tattle.
Now, everyone back to class and wash your hands before and after either poohs or a wee. And do let your teacher know if "Johnny" says a naughty word and well send them to wait outside the heads door and possibly 3 lashes with the birch.
TS time to act. Phil Parkinson in now. Had enough of Warney. Had more money last transfer window than nearly every side in league 1. But he gets his old mates in like McDonald. We've got no holding midfield player running the show. Won't play a recognised left back. Keeps playing Wood who Evans wouldn't have at the club. He's doing the same with Mattock like he did with Williams driving him out of the club. Should have let Mattock go in the summer & got another 1st choice left back in. Need to keep the season alive.
I’m not anti warne but believe if it ain’t broke don’t fix it but if it is broke take the necessary action , Tony it’s over to you that was a pathetic display today .
I don't hate Warney and I have seen many good people lose there jobs including myself over the years. The situation we are in at the moment will only get worse and I am afraid some of the fans will turn on him. The chairman will have to make a decision as I have said we will need an experienced manager another name Clough at Burton if we went for a newby what about Sol Campbell I know he is itching to get into management.
It's not just Barker. Warney got the players in. We are stuck now while January with no holding player in midfield. McDonald when I 1st saw him in the friendly's I said on here he wasn't moving right. Why do we sign players who haven't played for the previous two seasons. Smith if he's played up front still the only forward we have good enough. Not playing a recognised left back. Barker doesn't pick the side, sign the players.
Gwru this is a good squad badly managed badly coached, do not agree with you at all on macdonald yesterday. Fact 60 mins totally safe coasting macdonald goes off warne puts wiles there we fall apart. Mattock is not good enough and doesnt want to be here either.
If you don’t want Paul Warne to continue has manager you are unlikely to see the positives. If you view games with a negative eye that is all you will see.
To sack a manager when he has brought in 12 new players and we have only played 5 games seems ridiculous in the extreme. However the home performances have been poor and must be addressed. Some players are obviously finding the system challenging. For me Michael Smith is an out and out centre forward and with the decision to go to 433 I fully expected him to leave. He didn’t so do you change formation to accommodate him or leave him out the side? Freddie Ladapo looks a poor mans David Ball so I cant see him playing alongside Smith so therefore that leaves Carlton Morris or do you go 451 and leave him up front on his own.
How long would it take for any new manager to get to grips with the club? The names coming forward from the impatient ones are managers that have failed elsewhere. At the moment we have a man of great integrity and a first class ambassador for the club. Do we really want to go down the path of shortermism because we all know where that leads. I thought we has supporters had learned from the revolvi
Were I've got my season ticket before the game I've got to know a few people. Someone who has something to do with the club not high up only reason I talk to him occasionally I talk to his family. Told him in April Warney will never be a manager. I was tired of only winger we had any good Williams not starting. I know reason behind that he wouldn't sign a new contract same as Mattock. Should have let Mattock go & replaced him cause now we are playing without a left back. We have nowhere near replaced Vaulks in midfield. Warney * Ajayi up playing him in midfield. He's a CB all day long. I could go on but what's the point on here.
Poor old Brad the miller the same old boring tirade sat here in in my local club having a pint. Chatting to to the bar person who went to the match yesterday I will not use the colourful language but it's time to go.
I don't imagine anyone thinking PWS time is now borrowed is just saying so based on the games this season.
Often one thinks of past behaviours when looking for change and improvement and I am not seeing any improvement since PW first sipped from the chalice. He is making the same mistakes and getting bad results but with different players. We saw a disturbing exodus of players he wanted to retain and a mix of success and failure in his acquisitions.
My worry is that I'm not seeing any signs of this team having any consistency. To an experienced football fan, it is quite easy to see the signs of decay. We probably all wanted PW to be a success and for us to see that success in the club. But nothing has really changed. We are not any better. We are worse. Last season PW was expecting relegation and he got it. This season he was expecting to batter the league and yet we are already starting to hear excuses from fans and management alike. These are worrying signs. Numerous players that were bought while in the championship that look out of shape and out battled over the 90. A few good spells but with little product and then the tell-tale collapse that we have all seen happen to managers which then often becomes the end of their current story.
As fans do we wait for another 20 games to pass and what should the extent of success be at that time that leads us to offer him further time? Remember its not as if he has only been at the club for 6 months. What we are seeing now can certainly be thought of as a continuous stream of cause and effect since day 1 some 2 and a half years ago.
Rotherham United’s interim manager Paul Warne does not know whether he ‘is the right man’ to become their new manager following his side’s 1-0 defeat at home to Fulham.
Sone Aluko’s second-half goal confirmed Rotherham’s relegation to League One, leaving Warne’s chances of becoming the new full-time boss in jeopardy.
Former Miller’s player Warne felt that the job may not be right for him.
“The job is a lot harder than I thought,” he admitted.
“It is not an easy job and it is not an easy lifestyle. I don’t know if this job is for me.”
He added, “If I was given the honour of being given the full-time role, it will be very hard to turn it down.
“There is a part of me that hoped that I would be a manager at this great club one day and I would give it everything that I can.”
Like Evans, PW has charisma and a certain charm that keep most of the fans on board. I dare say if this was a manager none of us had any prior association with then he would not have survived even to this point. When Warnock kept our chairman waiting and Jackett ran away in the middle of the night I wondered why?
Is PW a man that will do for you?
or is PW a man that will just do?
Of course, PW proved he was the man as we went on a tremendous run and comfortable arrived in the playoffs in style and on the form. From then on we looked heavy favourites and so it was.
so PW has the answers I presume, or was it just luck?!
I hope the next 5 games are a resounding success and that its just that the players are a bit slow in getting it together following the managements instructions and game plan. Also, the issues of fitness and mentality that PW doesn't feel he has the answers to come to him in a dream. If It happened to Einstein and Jung and Linus Pauling all great men of intellect and results then I can at least wish for that.
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