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GlennMiller
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The amount of anti-Warne rhetoric on this site is becoming tiresome. Some posters have no reservations whatsoever in engaging in personal assaults on our manager - common amongst them include he has no balls, he has no tactical knowledge, he only plays his mates, negative, poor recruiter, wouldn't want him alongside me in a trench (I'll stick my neck out and suggest that the author has been nowhere near a military conflict) etc and ad nauseam - and in every thread regardless of the OP.

I'm all for people voicing their dissatisfaction when there is tangible evidence that management actions have had a negative effect on the club.  We all have opinions about how things might have been done differently. But there is a cohort which is outwardly anti-PW and chose every opportunity to register their disapproval to the extent that they criticise aspects of his management which they clearly have absolutely no knowledge about; the classic being that he only plays his mates. Anyone who voices an opposite view is considered a Warne sycophant and are subjected to the same ridicule as the manager. 

The opinion which I am interested in comes from the football intelligentsia (I realise that's an oxymoron) such as players, managers and commentators, where the overwhelming viewpoint is that we have a modern manager with huge footballing experience, a very agile brain, a willingness to learn and develop, a deep association with his club and potential which could see him become a very successful and in-demand manager. 

Lots of his on-line critics benefit from the anonymity of social media. The test of real critic is would you be prepared to stand in the same room as PW and deliver your Banter-bile to his face? I'd have no hesitation in discussing with him where I think he might have gone wrong and I would judge him on the basis of his answers. However, I suggest that those who readily take to their keyboards to construct their brave personal assaults would not dare turn up for a conversation with him even if invited.

 



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I wouldn't want Warne or Barker in any crisis with me. Men of straw. Only still here cause TS has had seen the light. We are going nowhere. Rotherham public don't back the side so keep the ship afloat that's all.

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So would you have the b•••s to tell Paul Warne to his face where he is going wrong? I'll answer that one for you. As you recently stated, you don't have the b•••s to go to an away game because you might end up sitting next nasty men. No way would you ever tell Paul Warne to his face. Far easier to be the big man, the tactical expert from your armchair.

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If I mention Steve Evans name who's record is far better the abuse he gets is 10 times worse. If you become a manager I am afraid it is part of the job these days there are some of you on here are not shy in voicing there opinions there again I have used the o word again.

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gwru wrote:

I wouldn't want Warne or Barker in any crisis with me. Men of straw. Only still here cause TS has had seen the light. We are going nowhere. Rotherham public don't back the side so keep the ship afloat that's all.

 Would that be a crisis in the engineering shop or at the bookies?



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If Warney doesn't get us in the top 6 by xmas with the money he's had to spend he shouldn't remain the manager. But he's took us down twice from the championship though 1st time he had a hopeless task so what's going to change?

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100% promotion record from League One? And we are currently better placed than we were at this stage two seasons ago. Retirement I can sort of understand that boredom must be a problem, since I suspect that there isn't a Mrs gwru.

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The O/P is absolutely spot on and the first response perfectly illustrates the problem. That response is a totally groundless, cheap remark that is easy to throw out from behind a keyboard and is typical of too many that have been seen on here.

A lot of what is said about Warne on here is disgusting. I have got no problem in constructive or fair criticism even if I don't agree with it. I myself have taken issue with some of his decision making although on the whole I think he has done a good job.

We all have our own priorities in terms of what we want a manager to be, but to me a manager is the public face of the club and I like the leader of my club to be someone who has real strength of character. That is important as far as I am concerned, in addition to the obvious football criteria. For me if nothing else Warne deserves respect for restoring the good name of our club that was badly damaged over quite a long period of time.

Whichever way you look at it, when you see people throwing personal slurs at a bloke who has genuine integrity and conducted himself impeccably at all times, something has gone wrong somewhere.





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So only soldiers are allowed an opinion about a persons character? An interesting concept but shows an arrogance beyond belief. I would have no issue sitting down with Mr Warne and sharing my views with him, I am sure I would learn a lot. However what I can not tolerate is the attitude that people are not entitled to an opinion, whether you agree or not with it, everyone is entitled to one. We live in a world where free speech is being removed from our society and done so under a banner of liberalism, I am sure the irony is not missed on some of you. Instead of attacking us why don't you enter a debate as it is only when people allow others to speak, listen to their views and discuss the matter at hand will a more balanced view be made. We all support the Millers and we all see things differently, this board is for us to discuss and debate our club, let us support the freedom of speech in this small corner of the world. For note I despise social media and I do not use it, I only use online boards like this because this has been my club for 50 years and it will be until my last breath.

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This used to be an enjoyable vibrant site with lively debate & opinions but it has been hijacked by two posters (both of whom have already "contributed" to this thread) & this repeated vitriolic bile spouted by said posters is completely ruining the forum but they seem to delight in their seemingly endless crusade against other members who would like the site to be back to what it once was.

When Exetermiller threatened to close down MB a few months ago I was quite peturbed as we'd only have the crass MM to use & some of the knuckledraggers on there are actually a lot worse than our two dear friends but if he shut down MB now I don't think I'd care so much as it is being destroyed.

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Oh and Rotherham United is not Paul Warnes club, it is Norwich City, he is an employee, you are correct though his position deserves respect, I do not know the man personally so I cannot comment on what level of respect he deserves. So I apologise if my emotional frustrations may have made me use words that were a little strong, if only I had been in a military conflict I may know how to behave, because what this world really needs is more soldiers. That is not disrespectful to our armed forces I am very proud and thankful for their service, it is disrespectful to the politicians that put their lives at risk.

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I don't dislike Warney his record is not good enough I will try to explain to some of you in simple terms. Football is a results business it is all about winning if you have to win ugly so be it. I have read no Iverson on Saturday Price should play but he is struggling with a back injury get the firey Jack out. He just seem to be unlucky we will not get anything at donny and when we play Bolton we will be the fall guys. Then the knives will be out. À reply to sir Bradley the so called miller you are wasting your time name calling with me water off a ducks back. Please stop having a hissy fit when I do respond to your childish tantrums.

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Vassell who is next to useless getting injured at last forced Warney's hand. But he's dug his own grave. Price Wood Jones McDonald Crooks Proctor shouldn't be on our books. Clarke another one whose about as tall as Taylor same. Short players in height it's a big disadvantage. Got to make up for it in ability, we don't get those type of players. No midfield general pulling the strings that's going to cost us. But it's only a game of football. I'm still alive & kicking. Keep going till the fat lady sings. Got NH horseracing to look forward to. Great/best days.

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Well done. Every one of your repetetive mantras in a single post.

Take the rest of the day off.

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Be careful thinking the grass might be greener. Safe / Steady yes. a risk taker? I don't think Warney will ever do something that is based on chance more based on evidence.

Anybody who thinks we are too big for this league need to get a reality check. RUFC have always and will probably be at best a middle top end 3rd tier club. We've septn more time doing that being in the Champ or L2. A shiny ground we rent changes nothing.

Warney is an admirable advocate for our football club, we were mud under Evans (and that after 'cheating the system' with going into Admin twice). We are building our reputation back in the football world and that's under Warney's ideas.

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Who has said we are too big for this league?

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Mud under Evans how? Side he kept us in the championship had heart & passion. Under Warney there's no fight. He'll never beat Evans record with us until he keeps us in the championship. It's in the balance if he'll get the chance again to.

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How many fans went to wembley to see evans side over warnes? I am sure some on here will quote economic downturn or a drop in Rotherhams population, or it could be that the level of entertainment is different. Dont get me wrong Evans is an awful man and Warnes appears very nice, but match days was more fun under Evans

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At the start of the Evans league one season we had just come up and were on the rise after years in the doldrums. There was a feel good factor. Our stadium was still brand new. We had big clubs like Wolves, Sheff Utd, Preston and Bristol City to play for the first time in years. At the start of the Warne season we were all disappointed to be back in league one after a nightmare relegation and record low points tally. The stadium was a few years older and the manager had a challenge on his hands to turn our fortunes around in his first full season having picked up the job following the Stubbs and Jackett disasters. A lot of doubters thought that he didnt have it in him. The season started with a mood of general negativity and even concern that we might slip straight through to league two. That is all a little bit subjective (although hopefully a fair comparison) but here are some facts. Our average NYS attendance in the Evans league one promotion season was 8450 and we scored 44 goals at home. Our average NYS attendance in the Warne league one promotion season was 8514 and we scored 45 goals at home. Did the Evans season feel a bit more exciting? In a way, perhaps it did. Was the football on view actually better and more exciting? The facts suggest perhaps not.

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I am not anti-warne by issues are that I see little evidence over a few seasons that he is learning how to deal with his own limitations as a football manager. Now I hope he is addressing them. I accept what I see some of you may not see, that is fine, but football provides a metric that we can use......RESULTS. now gwru states warne has been relegated twice in 3 seasons, this is true but the first half season was not his fault and last season he was not helped by the lack of investment in January. So for me I am happy to judge him on this season and what I have observed so far is the recruitment of some good players, weak man management over a few players, tactical ineptitude during games, players that look leggy at the end of games, questioning their fitness and a very one dimensional team. The team needs to score early and first even warne says that this week. Let us see where we are at the end of October and judge by results. However we will all comment on the games as the season progresses.

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