We had a left back proven at league 1 and warne let him go to play his mate. This club is full of warnes little happy clappers and on that performance we are a bottom half team, GET A bloody coach into the club TS and get warnes squash pal out NOW

Not a lot of positives.

woeful execution of basics like foot-to-ball. Barely string 3 passes together going forward and dismal in all departments.

Vassell perhaps did well and it was good to see him fit for once. The rest were individually below average for this league and collectively inept.

PW made the comment we are a scalp in this league something I cringed at and something he should think again about. I dont so mind his arrogance and control, but I think he should focus on the team really. Last season he threw the towel in after an embarrassing day at Brentford and based the rest of the season on one thought-don't lose. This season in his pre-season interviews he has come out fighting and clearly his choice of forwards and inattention to the width and backs was a symptom of a man who easily gets carried away with his thoughts and finds it hard to take in the whole picture. Im supportive of 433 or whatever system it is but not playing players out of position and asking players to do things they simply can't. Im Very sad to see the impact on Smith. PW will either have to put him deep and the head of the spear or drop him. PW is in danger of making this very hard work for himself.

I needed to see a lot more from the wing-backs and surely smith should have been covering the advanced position with Vassell and Ladapo supporting him. Smith can hold a ball up all day. The last thing I want to see is the real strikers picking the ball up from 40 yeards or even 25 yards and having to run around the box. Let Smith ne the man who lets the others run without the ball. simples. 

Midfield didn't look good at all and its, not for lack of width I think. individually they made so many errors. If they didnt overrun the ball then the passing was woeful, and we were often robbed and beaten 1-1 .

Fell asleep at the free-kick and then when PW made 3 changes we looked even worse.

I've been trying to work out an opinion on PWs "good people" for a long time. I realise now why I can't. They arent and it is totally irrelevant. What's more so many "good people" obviously didn't want to be at the family table after the season and for his part, PW didn't seem at all too interested in inviting them. Instead, he spent his time fantasising about tearing up this league and forgot we need hard, uncompromising defenders, wing-backs with pace and a very good, target man in the centre.

Ill keep 433 and why not. Most weren't of the opinion that 4-5-1 was bad last season but it got us nowhere. I'm being sarcastic. Its not the formulation its the execution and the parts you put in the machine.

Get Smith back in the only position he can play and drop the other 2 deep. And, PW you have to get your full-backs past the halfway line and in front of the ball. The times when midfield had nowhere but back to go because of a lack of support from the wide men killed any threat we could have produced.

Its a new team and I guess it will take time to see what we have but lets not forget PW has had plenty of time in the job now. I hope he knows what he is doing. I admire his self-belief because you gotta have that. However, im not entirely sure at the moment that others believe in him.

Ladepo looks good enough at this level
a fit Vassell too.

serious doubt about the whole midfield and backs except Robertson who I think gave up at the end. Gesturing all over the pitch for both quality and support. How bad was the performance? Not quite as bad as the very worst we have seen at NYS, but its in the top 10 easily.

-- Edited by ian on Saturday 10th of August 2019 09:50:48 PM

So Derby seems to see RB as a virus and Warnes squash pal. I presume you were saying this when we won promotion to the championship and by most peoples assessment made a great fist of it last season. I am not saying that should keep him in a job for life but surely it has given him a right to make a fist of the massive change the management team are presiding over now.
Richie barker is a level four coach and has a degree in sports science. My main sport was cricket and i could only manage level one coach. For somebody to achieve what Barker has got takes a lot of graft and skill. It is very harsh to be giving him this sort of stick after one home defeat. Many people felt last season that if we had gone for it with two or three strikers we would have stayed up. I do not support that view. We found a way to be competitive and so very nearly achieved the amazing goal of staying up with only a couple of players of championship standard. I believe that Barker and his coaching skills played a major part in that.
If you go up to watch training you will see Barker coaching the players in all areas of the game. He is well respected by the players and i can assure there is no messing about. I remember listening to a talk by Potter who said the preparation and information given by Barker is as good as anything in the game. Give him a chance, lets get some new players in and a few more fit and i think you will be saying something different.

whiston01 if you haven't got the ability to start with you can have the best coach going won't make you any better. Our problem is we haven't got enough players with a good enough ability for the level we are playing at. We are would say short in midfield & out wide of players with the required ability. Listen to me not Derby he hasn't got a clue. I study form NH horseracing learns you alot. I don't bet on the horses to lose in the long term. When I back a horse I look into everything, if it's good enough, if it's on a winning rating. It's a winning formula. Another thing I look for the progressive horse not one that's peaked & on the way down. Head of recruitment at Roth U take note.

I'm not dismissing barker at all it's Warne I'm questioning now. I applauded the decision to go 4 3 3 but on the players he has bought I feel the following Iversen yes Olusonde yes Ithiewe maybe Robertson yes Mattock no and defo not captain imo Warne never drops him MacDonald unsure yet Barlaser unsure yet Wiles yes Crooks yes Vassell and Smith are in the middle players And at the moment he hasn't players to change the formation THAT IS HIS AND SCOUTING TEAMS FAULT. He seem unable to change it Last year he persisted with 1 up.front when it was obvious if he had put another striker on and went two up front we could have got those points to keep.up us Yes hindsight is a wonderful thing. But also serves as a lesson Something Warne is demonstrating he has learnt from. And he blames conditions and. . No I blame you Warne get it sorted fast

Hillsborough get Mattock some proper support on the left not like now Vassell whose never been good enough or Smudger on the left. It's a joke. Then if Mattock isn't doing it then I'll agree with you. Mattock shouldn't be taking corners it's crazy. He's a left back where he's not let us down while he's been here. Breck rates him, he knows a thing or to about left backs.

You can see players don't believe in Warney. All this going to Germany & making speeches it's a load of b*ll*cks. Got to get the right players in to start with which we haven't done. Midfield is woeful apart from Wiles. No width. Say what you like about Evan's but in the end he could build a side. Only outlet we have in the side is Wiles but he's only young so will in & out. Every side needs a couple of players who can run at defences. We haven't got that. Warney he's got to sort it or go.

Clark Robertson stood out a mile amongst that garbage. Can't see him wanting to stay much longer. Olosunde shows great promise,Lapado's pace will get him goals despite being ordinary but McDonald and Barlaser look desperately bad signings.Mattock seems to be sulking because he wasn't allowed to go to Millwall. So why make him captain?. The Scottish kid wont have to be exceptional to get in this team but we have no width whatsoever. If Salford have offered anything above £50k for Vassell snatch their hands off. Granddaughters tortoise is faster than Proctor-slow motion personified. If yesterday's display is all we can expect then another relegation beckons.

In regards full backs yes with Olusonde no with can't be arsed he won't drop me mattock