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Good luck to the lad, however we are now have 18 players that has left including our best 2 players, and only 6 players in. Warne said this week, losing Semi is like losing 2 or 3 players, so Tilt will not be enough to replace him. This is a very depleted squad at the moment a minimum of 5 players are required to give it depth and competition for places, as a fan we should expect at least another £2m  to be spent on this squad. Lastly £1.3m for him is a disgrace, Douglas strikes again, I think the current situation is a Three cup and a ball magic trick, look at the facts not the rhetoric from the club.



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Derby, I get that your assessment is that we could and should get more for Ajayi (last reports are £1.5m rising to up to £2.5m). I don't suppose that you think that we ever decide to accept the lowest offer or invite cheeky bids and presumably the people in charge want the best price that we can get. What specifically do we do wrong in your opinion, and what do you have other than speculation to base your opinion on?

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What has my friend and yours duggy done again every ones favourite scapegoat. All transfers are conducted by agents if a player wants to go and he is in the last year of his contract and that is the best offer we can get the club has no choice but to take it If the fee is1.5 million rising to over 2 million it I not far off my valuation. Paul Douglas involvement in the deal is very tiny I just can't see the point in blaming some one for something that hadn't happened. Me no understand

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Douglas is the chief executive as I understand it, therefore he is accountable for the day to day operations of the club. £1.3m for a young utility player that has played international football is not great. How come you lot never think our players are worth anything. The £2.5 is potential not actual. I am sorry at the moment we do not have a squad capable of sustaining a top six challenge, there is no depth in there, it lacks quality, relies on unproven kids, has a lot of players with poor fitness records, no natural left sided players, no goalie and only two centrebacks and now according to our own manager we have lost the equivalent of 2 to 3 more players in Semi. We were told we didnt have to sell so why did we? There is no evidence to say Semi asked to leave that is your speculation. It is beyond my comprehension how anyone looking at this window as it is today things we are in a better situation. Maybe we will do a lot more business, but i think we will get two of our own and two loans and leave it until after the season started. I just think you are all being too optimistic at this point.

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So the basis of your criticism of Douglas is that you as a supporter value Ajayi at more than we are selling him for? Is that it? The whole football world knows that Ajayi (who is far from the finished article) has effectively been for sale since we were relegated in early May. We are now in mid-July. WBA are the highest bidders of two or three who have shown interest and we have rejected initial offers a d held out for more. If they reach a point at which the last man standing says 'its £x or forget it', what do we do? Keep him against his wishes and hope he performs and lose him for nothing, or sell? And why is any of that Paul Douglas's fault? For once I agree with THMiller - for reasons that i don't understand Paul Douglas seems to be an easy scapegoat. I think he had to be culpable for the Rawson-late-registration fiasco but I don't see any evidence that he has done anything else wrong.

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I might be wrong on this I usually am on the Rawson incident our mate Paul Douglas was away on holiday left all of the paper work to be sent through some bright thing could not be bothered to fax it through. Just maybe the day to day running we rely to much on him. Don't ask me how I would run RUFC I couldn't run a chip shop.

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I'd go with Mr Douglas wearing some of the Rawson thing on the basis of a stupid mistake happening in his team on his watch (even if it wasn't his direct mistake) if indeed that is what happened. That is being harsh. Not the transfer fee thing though. The idea that he sets our prices rather than the market and that he does it without input and sign off from others doesn't ring true. He is just a soft target for unfair criticism. I think the fan base is broadly split between (on the one hand) people who are inclined to trust that the people who run the club are decent, want the club to do as well as it can and are in it for the rights reasons unless they see evidence to the contrary and (on the other) people who like to think that owners always mug supporters off and who are instinctively cynical. I'm definitely in the former group. Maybe a bit of cynicism is a healthy thing. A lot of clubs are owned and run by people with questionable motives. I just don't see any real evidence that ours is one of them. I see a club supported by its owners trying to do as well as it can whilst standing on it's own two feet. I will be and am critical of the club where I think it is justified, but won't buy in to lazy criticism based on nothing but speculation - eg 'we don't want to go up', 'Warney only plays his mates', 'Tony Stewart is taking his money out' etc. To my mind the club deserves better support than that.



-- Edited by smiler on Saturday 20th of July 2019 05:57:37 AM

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At the end of the day i am disappointed at the volume of business we have done so far and the amount we let Ajayi leave for. The manager has been very clear that he wanted most of the business done before germany and he has also said that losing ajayi is like losing 2 or 3 players. For me this squad is very light it is lacking cover as well as key players in key positions. You lot say there is more to come, but that is speculation which you criticise others for. All our opinions are subjective it is insulting for smiler to call those opinions lazy when the blind faith he shows can easily be labelled as such. We will see wont we

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Nothing wrong with blind faith without it I would have packed in supporting Rotherham United sixty years ago.



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derbymiller wrote:

At the end of the day i am disappointed at the volume of business we have done so far and the amount we let Ajayi leave for. The manager has been very clear that he wanted most of the business done before germany and he has also said that losing ajayi is like losing 2 or 3 players. For me this squad is very light it is lacking cover as well as key players in key positions. You lot say there is more to come, but that is speculation which you criticise others for. All our opinions are subjective it is insulting for smiler to call those opinions lazy when the blind faith he shows can easily be labelled as such. We will see wont we

 I'm saying we will sign more players because the manager has said we will.  That isn't blind faith. Just faith.

You're Douglas strikes again comment is based on nothing but your opinion that Ajayi should be worth more and speculation that somehow Douglas has messed up.

Very different.

If we don't sign at least three more players I will be very disappointed and will join you in your criticism.  



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Glad the Semi situation has been sorted out at last good luck to him in the future. Time to move on we have been faffing about in the last few weeks need some action. Supposed to be a keeper in this weekend what's happened the Tilt transfer seems to be stuck. We need our leader to tell us what is happening. Only 2 weeks to the season kick off big chunks missing out of that squad no way are we ready at the moment.

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Smiler you have no idea whether my comment about Douglas is without any evidence, you speculate constantly but when people say something you do not like, you take this "i am superior" position, trust me you are not, you are just a fan like the rest of us and you have a right to your opinion the same as the rest of us do. By the way in my opinion 3 players is no way near enough to give the squad real depth. The summer and club need to be judged end of november then we will see, hopefully we will be in the top 8 and playing entertaining football.

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Im not superior at all. Im well aware of that. I asked in an earlier post what you had to make you think Douglas was incompetent. Your answer was that in your opinion you thought the fee wasn't enough. If you've got any evidence to support the opinion you should have said. You still can if you want. Otherwise I've got to treat for what it seems to be on the face of it - a groundless, unsubstantiated, unfair and fairly worthless allegation. Are you saying you know something about him that we all don't? By the way, have a look back and you'll see I'm really fair minded. I'll say it again - if we don't bring more players in I will join you in criticising. Whether three more would be enough is a matter of opinion. I'd like to see three minimum. Any more than 20/21 senior players is unwieldy at our level.

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I've enjoyed the debate by the way. It's good to have a substantial discussion. As you say, the proof of the pudding will be in the eating. Top eight is a fair target. I'd be very disappointed if we didnt achieve that.

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Good luck Semi, he was a good find, we made a nice bit of cash on him and he's gone to an excellent football club. There is nothing shocking about this, Rotherham United have always and will always be a selling club. To this day nothing even comes close to when we sold Bobby Williamson. £4m is the most I'v ever known us receive in one window, lets hope its used wisely for players we can sell on again and to better the club infrastructure, it all helps.

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I've met Paul Douglas. I had an issue when we were at the Don Valley stadium. I met him at remember when the club shop was nr Tony Stewart's lightbulb factory. Best way to describe him he's a ditherer, steady. That Rawson debacle could have relegated us but nothing was said. I'm not knocking him as a person but he must do something right or Tony Stewart trusts him. We are not a big club so he does a job. I'd personally like someone more up to speed in his position but then the risk comes do we end up with a con man someone like Freeman?

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Can anyone give an example of a player ever turning down a bigger club and more cash?

Steve bull perhaps? 

 

I can't see that anything except money has leverage. 

 

Id add that 1.5 million is not enough compensation for the club or fans , but once again Ajayi nor his agent will care at all about that. Overall we have done decent business but obviously require more coming in to balance the potential loss. 

I also think its fair to say we have rarely done so well at selling on players. 

 

Both Ajayi and vaulks are a welcome new trend and somewhat in keeping with the stated philosophy of the club over the last few seasons. 

 

 

 



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For me, i would have hoped for more for Semi, but we have done a cracking deal on Vaulks if some of the add ons are paid. The important thing is that they can be poster boys for our recruitment campaign- players who came in as nobodys, left as internationals and we've just demonstrated that when they get the chance to move on they will do so with our best wishes and not be held to ransom. So a great stepping stone for ambitious young players. I'd rather not be a stepping stone but i'm realistic. And the money helps us try and do it again but also cover the losses (anyone who follows the brilliant Kieran Maguire will know we lost nearly half a million in our last promotion season). So i'm happy if not all the money is reinvested and we remain solvent and competitive. I like the direction the football club is going in right now.

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That's a great post DKNY and in an environment where money is king, it would be good if Rotherham could develop the reputation as a cultivator of talent and a fair employer thereby giving us some edge in the transfer game. From what I saw last season and at Chessie today, I would say that we have several contenders for future large price tags; Lapado who has everything apart from a lack of composure in front of goal, Ihiekwe who is as good as Ajayi in the back line imo, Robertson who is class, Wiles who has enormous potential, Smith - surprised no-one has picked him up already, Crooks who I'm predicting will be our man of the season and MacDonald who, if he regains full fitness, will be an indispensable midfield general. Then again, it would be nice if they all achieved their potential and we kept them together for a serious Championship campaign!

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Yeah agree regarding the Ajayi fee, think we could have squeezed more.

We also have to be realistic and not think it’s some sort of fire sale. The club has made great profit from these two lads and they’ve moved to big clubs with aspirations of top flight football, more of the same hopefully.

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