Garbage garbage
Warne is rapidly running out of ideas
Put Yates on and put him on right wing!!!!!!
Vyner is garbage at rb he is a cb
Granted he has limited budget
Play a different for style yes
Smith I feel sorry for.him.he has no support
Warne and the board need to sort it fast
Garbage
Just what I expected not enough quality in the team losing a must win game like that the only place we are going is div1.
Only hope is that it persuades the powers that be to bring some decent players in.
Cheer up only Leeds next week it's forcasting snow need 6ft of it to give us poor suffering millers supporters a rest never seen ground empty a quick Warney will have to sort this out quick or we will be looking for a new manager.
It was depressing today.. I agree that Warne needs to try something other than hoof ball to poor unsupported Smith... it got us points in first half of season but isn't working now... and Also as said above... hopefully prompt the Chairman to give Warne some help... also Warne needs to play his new and returning players at the start of games. It's asking too much for new players to always have to come on when we are chasing the game... and whatever he said at half time didn't work as we sat back and asked for trouble...sigh.... :( :(
I've never been more embarrassed to be a Rotherham supporter. Not because of the team or the performance, but because of the supporters. Booing the team, abusing the manager and the chairman, and three quarters of them leaving ten minutes early. That was the garbage on view today.
On the pitch, we lack quality. Brentford were quicker, slicker and better on the ball. They aren't great but they are much better than us. Their chairman has put over £100m into the club. Their net transfer fee surplus over the last few seasons is upwards of £40m. Their wage bill is twice ours.
Every now and again we will do enough to get a win, but over 46 games we might not get quite enough wins to keep us up. For now, we are fourth from bottom but we are struggling. We were always going to.
Off the pitch, we have a chairman who does what he can without plunging us into debt. He has saved us and put us on a solid footing with a chance of staying in the second tier. Two Wembley wins along the way. A long way ahead of where we were when he came in. He won't want us to go down, but the crowds, town, etc (never mind the fair play rules) can't sustain the huge investment needed to do more than we are doing.
There is no doubt we need more bodies and if possible better quality players in certain areas, but we are up against it to compete with our rivals in this league for players.
Anybody who can't live with those realities should do one and go and support someone else, because none of that is about to change in the near future. Otherwise, have a reality check and get behind them instead of doig a poor mans impression of the Massives down at S6.
Most of us fans do live in reality but Warne seems unable to or in willing to try a different approach it's still square pegs in round holes.
He can't help injuries but we are paying for a limited recruitment policy in the summer
Its blindingly obvious to us that Vyner is no good at rb he either needs to play vaulks or Jones in that position
Me person i would have brought purrington back and played him at left back and mattock on the left wing
In my opinion, Brentford were the best footballing side to visit NYS this season. They were better on the ball, faster, moved better and were more technically gifted in every position on the park. The mindless idiots who cheered when Vyner was subbed need to take a good look at themselves. No matter what they thought of his performance (and it wasn't bad when you consider the quality of pressure he was put under) what sort of a message does it pass to the team. If they weren't demoralised by that stage, they definitely were afterwards!
Rotherham had a good spell in the latter part of the first half, but it was obvious to anyone who understands football, that Brentford had the quality to undo us at any time. With Williams being injured, Warne put out his best eleven (apart from Taylor who, despite his goal, is clueless with the ball at this feet). The entire XI worked their backsides off and in the end were beaten by a far superior side. If we had managed to bring in a million pound striker, winger and LB, it probably would have made no difference because of the gulf in class. £20-30M and you might see some improvement.
This is the reality at Rotherham and anyone who thinks that people at the club are failing them need to remember that no-one gave us a chance of staying up this season, no-one at the club has the financial clout to make any difference to our predicament and no-one, apart from PW, would have had us above the relegation zone at this stage of the season.
Wake up and smell the coffee guys. It was always going to be tough, it is tough and only immense effort by the players, continued encouragement from PW and positive understanding and support from the crowd, will give us the slimmest of chances of surviving the drop.
It can't be easy managing a struggling team when you've got 7000 better managers than you in the stadium. There's lots of things I'd do differently but I've never played pro football or coached at any serious level. Its the same whenever we struggle. A couple of scapegoats are found, the manager gets grief and the chairman gets told to spend some money. Its crap. Here is the truth. We can't afford to compete in this division on a level playing field. The fact that we are competing at all is a minor miracle.
Warney put Vyner out of his misery & send him back, get a RB in good enough for this level. Know he scored but Taylor on the left wing it's never worked or will work. When you have no outlets you just invite pressure. Like all young players Wiles is going to have off days. Crooks needs games to bring him up to speed. I thought Vaulks & Towell battled well enough. Forde did ok. Rest of the side apart from Vyner & Taylor weren't that bad but we need some fresh faces up to this level to give us a lift.
Days like today are the reason I half didn't want us to go up last season. I can cope with losing to a better side. I can even enjoy watching those better sides, or at least respect them for their ability. I can respect our players for giving it heir best in defeat. What I dread is the toxic atmosphere fuelled by supporters who can't handle losing and want to find someone to have ago at and blame.
It's a Rotherham trait Smiler and has always been the same. Most supporters are more happy to have something to moan about than something to cheer about! My philosophy is that if the team put in 100%, I can live with whatever result emerges.
As I said in a post last night not enough talent and players with no bottle no wonder the ground emptied.If the message doesn't get over to Warney & co it never will I watched Crooks run on too slow another dead weight we have got what the hell are the recruitment people playing at no impact in the game at all Northampton must be laughing all the way to the bank. Dreading next week when you play as we did today you lose your support now I will carry on going have my moan back for some more punishment next week but when you see how we played I can't see any light at the end of the tunell. Come on Rotherham give us something to cheer bring 3 or 4 quality players in give us something to watch and get rid of the dross I just want to go to a match and enjoy it.
-- Edited by TH MILLER on Saturday 19th of January 2019 08:34:31 PM
At home, with zero creativity, awful backs to goal defending and a manager who could not change anything over 90 minutes to stem the embarrassing onslaught. The shameful isolation of Smith and the joke parade of Taylor , forde and others being asked to beat 3 or 4 men consistently with no support.
There may have been several hundred who cheered when Vyner went off and perhaps more that can see why. And, it wasnt only his abysmal performance today. It was because he has been abysmal in every game, but Warne can't admit or see it. The offer of a contract is probably too much for some fans to take. What do we see, and feel when someone as out of his depth as vyner is; lauded by the manager and offered precious money. I think they think that if this is the kind of player the management team think is acceptable then all hope is drained.
There is no excuse only accountability. It is little use talking about harsh realities. Where does that get anyone? Its a false heroic and defeatist attitude that has no place in competitive sport.
The players that Warne has brought in and the team he puts out is his alone. Other managers have done better and worst than Warne with the same resources. Ultimately losing and losing badly is unacceptable. It does not matter which the team it is.
Things started out reasonably well, but have deteriorated badly. His tactics, his team choices, the results and his choice of footballer.
Personally, I would be talking to him about results and performances tonight. I suspect he isn't hitting his targets with the chairman.
-- Edited by ian on Saturday 19th of January 2019 08:20:41 PM
Glen Miller, smiler. Brentford weren't that good. Our weaknesses made them look good. I don't go to the New York to watch the away side. Like just said I want to come out of the ground knowing we've been in a game. We've matched a championship side. I too had my doubts about Crooks. Hope it was just getting up to speed.
Not even approaching good enough I'm afraid. I completely agree about the negative tactics Warne seems to favour, we have been found out by the rest of the division. If we don't recruit well I can't see us winning another 10 points this season. I also agree that Warne seems to see something in Vyner that everyone in the stadium can't & Billy Jones can't be all that "emotionally intelligent". First impressions of Crooks aren't that good, Semi had a mare today too in both boxes & everytime the Bees came anywhere near our goal I thought they would score, they passed us to death.
I don't however subscribe to the Warne out brigade, nor do I advocate potentially bankrupting a sustainable football club to attempt to stand still in the second tier although the hierarchy could try a little harder IMO. When the inevitable happens( & it will happy clappers) & we find ourselves back in the third tier, please lets give the manager time to build a squad, put them on good (ish) long contracts, develop a playing style (hopefully more attack based) before we make an assault on promotion next time. Question; have we had a mid table season at NYS yet?
"Anybody who can't live with those realities should do one and go and support someone else, because none of that is about to change in the near future. Otherwise, have a reality check and get behind them instead of doig a poor mans impression of the Massives down at S6. "
sorry Smiler but I could not disagree more... A lot of us, I count myself proudly in this number, have paid our dues Supporting the Millers over decades... I reckon I've given more of my disposable income towards RUFC than TS's disposable income now.
I'm not saying he didn't save us or that he hasn't done a good amount of good... BUT - this is a business.
In Business terms in makes NO SENSE AT ALL for us to drop to league 1.
Therefore, with the greatest of respect.. he needs to man up and take some risk... otherwise, he is failing in a business sense, which is no better, sadly though I say it, than the Booths....
UTM.. Miller for Life...
-- Edited by Davidedin on Saturday 19th of January 2019 09:30:36 PM
-- Edited by Davidedin on Saturday 19th of January 2019 09:32:13 PM
"please lets give the manager time to build a squad, put them on good (ish) long contracts, develop a playing style (hopefully more attack based) before we make an assault on promotion next time. Question; have we had a mid table season at NYS yet?"
We got lucky last season and got promoted when no one expected it.. those opportunities are few are far between...
It would cost us MANY MANY MANY times the investment to get back up from league 1.
More likely is that we will decline.
The opportunity is HERE AND NOW and TS needs to invest to keep us up, which actually wont take much..
We need a striker (possibly 2) and a right back.. thats all we need... Get the F**k out of your comfort zone TS and give Warne what he needs... no F**king excuses about we 'nearly' sign somneone.. get it F**king sorted.....
Some of the vitriolic comments directed at some of our players during and after today's game are well below the belt. Taylor scores a goal for us and is subsequently slated by some individuals. He was also named MOTM. It's so bizarre. Oh, I get it. He didn't score a hat trick? Vyner did put some good crosses into the box for our forward players to attack. Yet,he too comes under fire. The new boy, Crooks did make a difference when he entered the field of play. He began man marking Brentford's number 19, Romaine Sawyers, who up to that point had been bossing the midfield. Crooks proved to be a handful for Sawyers. Someone suggested that Crooks may not be good enough for us. I think he fits the bill perfectly and is a very useful acquisition.
Brentford did play well. They wore us down with their possession of the ball and passing game. We fell short by not putting our chances away. We had enough chances to come away with at least a 4-4 draw. Brentford despite their wealth of talent are still languishing in the bottom half of the Championship table because most of the teams they have met have put their respective chances away.
RUFC may rue the day if they do not start investing in additional quality players. It needs to be done while we are in the Championship. I don't go with the, it's the way Rotherham United have always done things, mantra. What about the, you need to speculate to ac***ulate, mantra? Maybe that's too risky? A gamble? From time to time there is some talk of reaching the Promised Land (Premier League). That can only ever be achieved by establishing ourselves in the Championship for a number of seasons. We will never reach the PL if we keep setting our sights too low and finish up in League One in the belief that's all we deserve.
I wonder if Leeds United Head Coach, Bielsa has gleaned anything from our style of play? Does he really need a spy to watch us in training? Maybe that could be his undoing? Just a thought.
Going to try to be constructive. Vyner can't defend, been same all the season. That's why he's got to be sent back. If he was any good he'd be at Bristol C. Taylor good goal as well as missing a decent chance. In open play he may as well have been sat with me. Crooks with Vaulks & Towell were's the Frecks type player adding pace getting forward. We need outlets on the left wing & in midfield. Right back obviously required. One bright spark was when Yates came on. Put himself about, put a good cross in with his left foot from the left.
