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Its coming evident we are sorting the defense out but leaving us struggling to score yes we are creating chances. But would you.splash the cash on a striker come jan But i like any other posters think the issue is playing one up.front Warne seems.to be edging his bets on keeping it tight at back and hitting them on the break. All.well and good if we have the players to capitlise on the chances we get . Stats say.so far we havent taken them Playing two up front will give us more chance with the players we got

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We can't play two up front most games we'd be overrun in midfield. Need a goalscorer but can't splash the cash, that's if we are willing too while January.

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Too early to call it in my opinion.

I can see our season going one of two ways:

1) We lose our home form and things stay the same away from home - then we are in trouble and more drastic action would be required (but whether any is taken is another matter), or

2) We start to get a bit luckier away from home, and one good result turns into several - that would keep our confidence up and I'm sure would keep our home form intact. Nothing much needs doing then until next season (to build rather than go backwards)

I've said on other posts for a few weeks - not scoring is our issue just now, so I'd agree that is the obvious place to look to strengthen.

January - if Barnsley look like they won't get promoted (so are not fussed about selling) - and we look like we might stay up : £2M to £3M bid for Kieffer would be enough to keep us up in my opinion, and in my opinion would make business sense.. (If it was up to me, but obviously it's not..)

 



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Anybody who would cost a real transfer fee would also want wages probably double what anyone else at the club is on. How would that play out with the existing players? If we are struggling at that stage would anybody worth having want to join us? Would it ruin the team spirit that Warne has rebuilt? I don't know the answers but they are some of the dynamics in play. It isn't as easy as we would all like it to be.



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smiler wrote:

Anybody who would cost a real transfer fee would also want wages probably double what anyone else at the club is on. How would that play out with the existing players? If we are struggling at that stage would anybody worth having want to join us? Would it ruin the team spirit that Warne has rebuilt? I don't know the answers but they are some of the dynamics in play. It isn't as easy as we would all like it to be.



-- Edited by smiler on Monday 24th of September 2018 06:02:09 PM

understood... but I'd argue most of that has to be overcome by any team that wants to progress, at any level.

I'm sure none of the players would want to be part of a team that has a great team spirit but gets relegated. Team spirit is only sustainable with success, otherwise it falls apart (as per two seasons ago)

It's no different to an office full of salespeople in a business... if you like working together but don't sell anything, something will change and it won't last long. If someone was brought in on a high salary that meant the business started selling and you all kept your jobs, that new person would be welcomed and the Business would be more succesful. It's the same risk in football as any business - risk v reward and do what is needed to succeed or fail.



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We patently haven't any cash to splash. Now if someone could come up with a sensible topic to debate Id be grateful.

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Assuming cash is a problem, is it possible that a loan striker could be the answer come January. With loanees Raggett injured and Vyner being usurped by our own man Jones, the number of loanees allowed to play in the side shouldn't be a problem. A premiership striker whose failed to get game time in the first half of the season but who wants to raise his profile by saving RUFC would be ideal. I'm sure that transfer software that our recruitment man uses could find us someone suitable!?

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me personally think we should be trying to get another striker on a perm deal instead of giving game time to another team player

kieffer moore is a perfect example

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Davidedin wrote:

Too early to call it in my opinion.

I can see our season going one of two ways:

1) We lose our home form and things stay the same away from home - then we are in trouble and more drastic action would be required (but whether any is taken is another matter), or

2) We start to get a bit luckier away from home, and one good result turns into several - that would keep our confidence up and I'm sure would keep our home form intact. Nothing much needs doing then until next season (to build rather than go backwards)

I've said on other posts for a few weeks - not scoring is our issue just now, so I'd agree that is the obvious place to look to strengthen.

January - if Barnsley look like they won't get promoted (so are not fussed about selling) - and we look like we might stay up : £2M to £3M bid for Kieffer would be enough to keep us up in my opinion, and in my opinion would make business sense.. (If it was up to me, but obviously it's not..)

 

Tonight makes my point again.

We are not conceding many, we are creating chances, our problem is lack of goals from not taking our chances

With Smith you get a decent player who puts in a shift.... don't get me wrong I like him.

With Keiffer Moore, you would get that, but you would also get goals if he was given the same chances Smith gets.

Goals win you points

Points keep you in this league

Keeping in this league gives you a successful business

Having a successful business pays you back the investment....



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Said it for sone time now - we are desperate for a striker. Smithy isnt it - works his socks off but just not a champ level finisher.

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We haven't got any cash, when the last accounts came out and ASD were sponsoring us silly money just to balance the books, I'm sure they won't want to continue doing that it's not even a recoverable loan! Another sub 9k attendance again last night, how much more evidence do we need that the Rotherham public aren't interested in a Championship club?

It's really sad, after spending many many years not seeing us in this Division, I thought the new ground would really propel us upwards, for the most part the dream has been a let down when it becomes reality. At least this time the staff and players are fighting their last - however long for though I don't know. We might as well be in this division and be back at Millmoor! as we're in no better place financially or it seems the capital size of the the club hasn't changed.

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The attendances are a real concern! However, the key reason is Sky coverage - it's just too easy not to go a game but to sit in the comfort of your own home and watch for a tenner. Sky may well think that they are bringing football to the masses (and making millions in the process) but they are actually killing the game because a match without a crowd atmosphere is like watching paint dry. Oh for the atmosphere of a Tuesday night fixture at Millmoor!

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.... but attendances are not the issue surely.

Max is 12k. less Police safety areas takes it down to 11 ish. so a crowd of 9.5k is only about 1500 of our max, which is about £750k per year difference between max attendances and what we get.

Reported we get about £14M this year and £20M next year from TV etc... so we need to see the full books.

Doesn't add up to me that we are losing money.

and if we are - how are other clubs making money if their crowds are similar (many are) any their players cost more (most of them do) ?

If we aren't making money with what we pay our players and transfer fees in this league ... something is wrong with the way the club is run in my opinion.

 



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Yes i agree something doesnt add up A conspirancy theory could be that asd have took the money back as loan payments. Someone told me it was stewart who wanted players out on loan not warne he was pushing for forde to go but he didnt If this is true Yes run a club sensibly but not like factory this isnt a industry where if your players arnt playing u lay them off or lend them out ffs To me warne is walking a tightrope of a small squad and limited or no funds to expand it So tony continue this path of championship on a budget and we survive Then other clubs will.come.for warne and i woouldnt blame him if he went to a club with a proper budget

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Senior players sent out on loan apart from Dom Ball weren't up to this level. Forde is the same. Should have been done in the transfer window then at least a couple of permanent signings made. A big striker with a few goals in him for one. Hopefully we can get Robertson Wood fit then we can get something like our best side out. Get to January in touch then strengthen. Would send Vyner back then get a Right back in, a signing not a loan. Raggett Manning see situation then.

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I doubt that any Championship team is making money from general trading. That all carry big debt and Tony won't go there. One thing they have all done that we have never done is sell players for big money. Brentford are next to bottom of the attendance league table. They have raked in tens of millions by buying well and selling for big money (eg Andre Gray, Scott Hogan, Ryan Woods, John Egan, James Tarkowski and others) but are still propped up by an owner who has ploughed in about £100m according to reports. We can't seem to get on the transfer gravy train, and Tony isn't prepared to or can't afford to subsidise us to the same extent (no complaints about that). So we are what we are - sustainable but under-resourced relative to others. Ajayi is our only real prospect of a sale for anything significant by today's standards. If he is sold in January, it will be interesting to see whether we can turn that into the beginning of a virtuous circle where we sell, reinvest well and sell big again in the future. That's the only way we will compete financially absent some mystery (possibly dodgy - not that Brentford's owner is but some at other clubs definitely have been) investor. But then that virtuous circle was what Barnsley got into with windfalls for Stones, Holgate and others and look where it got them.



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Add the sales of Harlee Dean and Diego Jota to those mentioned already, and if their reported transfer fees are accurate Brentford have raked in something like £40m for those few players in recent years (and there might be others I've forgotten). We've got half of whatever Danny Ward was sold for and a few Bob here and there. That is a massive, massive difference.

In my opinion the Steve Evans transfer policy is a big part of that.  He tended to use his transfer budget by churning a huge number of players already at or past their peak on short term contracts.  Camp, Broadfoot, Richardson, Collins, Green, Halford, Derbyshire, Buxton etc.  The list is almost endless.  All dead money investment wise.  Danny Ward and Kieron Agard are the exceptions to the rule, and we didn't get a kings ransom for either.  There isn't a single other player brought in during the Evans years and rise through the divisions who we turned a real profit on, which is very unusual.  Most clubs when they rise up.the league have their better players snapped up for real money.  It never happened to us because our better players were always 30 plus or loanees.



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how can ever get on the gravy train when we never give our youth players a chnace yates and wiles the exception so far

 

warne need to play laithwaite with smith in 4 4 2 formation 4 5 1 we are not going to get anywhere seems to be obsessed with been over run 



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.... but attendances are not the issue surely.

Max is 12k. less Police safety areas takes it down to 11 ish. so a crowd of 9.5k is only about 1500 of our max, which is about £750k per year difference between max attendances and what we get.

Reported we get about £14M this year and £20M next year from TV etc... so we need to see the full books.

Doesn't add up to me that we are losing money.

and if we are - how are other clubs making money if their crowds are similar (many are) any their players cost more (most of them do) ?

If we aren't making money with what we pay our players and transfer fees in this league ... something is wrong with the way the club is run in my opinion.

 

 David hardly any clubs make money, in fact the vast majority in our division are very close to being well in the sh!t 



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Not sure about those figures of £14m this year and £20m next year if we stay up. When we won promotion i read an article that said in 2018/19 season we would receive a basic payment of £2.3m plus a solidarity payment of £4.5m from the premier league. Making a total of £6.8m. You then get £100K for televised games on Fri/Sat, £120k on Sundays and £140K on a Thursday. The away teams of televised games get £10k. The solidarity payment is supposed to help stop the financial gap getting too wide between championship and premier league. What a joke that is.
I will use an example of why its a joke. The season Sunderland went down from the premier league they received £99.9m and thats before the parachute payment. Last season Leeds United received £7.56m . So it would have taken Leeds thirteen seasons in the championship to get the same money as Sunderland got in one premier league season.
A new deal has just been struck with the EFL. of £600m over the next five seasons 2019 -2024. an increase of 36% year on year. So we do have a bit more cash available this season . In Div one we got £1.47m this season we should get just over £7m. Not masses of money but surely TS might give a bit to Warney in Jan to give us a chance of staying up.

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