A bad "system" and a few players off the pace makes everyone look poor - as the mediocrity spreads. A poor ball in midfield is difficult to control therefore another poor distribution etc etc....a good player
( they say ) always looks like he has "time" but when we are playing teams that are predominantly better ( man for man ) and the opposition has an understanding of the system they are playing then the odds against each player winning individual battles get worse - until half decent players look poor. Taylor is a prime example - he's not fit for purpose within the roles he's been asked to play - but ok in his true position with good supply. That goes for them all but Wood has gone! Just the old fella in a pub team....can't believe - that with a perfect closed / pre season we're so disjointed. 3 up front in the last 15 minutes and bombing them balls in is so....and we haven't had any injuries yet....where are the new boys ?
Glenn - I'm glum and you're painting a worse picture - I think any pro' team can be drilled into that system - it takes lots of work / drills and brain / muscle memory untill they can do it in there sleep BUT we are not attempting anything like it. We are just playing football - like league one and being found out. That's poor management.
Hmm where are all the doom merchants ? Wood gone ? Not yet he isn’t, Manning not good enough ? Absolute tosh,defensive coach needed after two home clean sheets ? Some of you lads need to come off Champioship Maager games and understand what it’s like to run a proper team, with real individuals involved ! It takes time and clever manipulation to evolve a team camaraderie without throwing all the hard work down the drain ! Warne is getting there and will be a good manager in football irrespective of what the perpetual knockers on here think, 🤔stick with him and support your team 🤔
Well said MT. We got a wake up call at Brentford, but since then have won twice, played poorly against Hull but still could and should have got something, and at all conquering Leeds put in a really gritty display. They are all working really hard and there are signs of the same unity that took us a long way last season. Supporters often say that if they give 100% then we will get behind them. Well I think that's what the players are giving, even if they aren't the most gifted bunch in the league, and they deserve our support.
We need young athletes at the centre of our defence....Wood is too slow and has cost us this season.....that if you analyse the goals thoroughly and dispassionately.
Robertson ( if fit ) needs games - because he is our future - Wood is not being appraised critically - the chances - against us - in our box have been far too easy
( although we've been lucky ) and Rodak saving Wood blushes. Or he'll develop that CH bad attitude...he came to get into the Scottish Squad - that means playing .
Wood is being appraised critically. By a guy with over thirty years years experience in the professional game, who, in my opinion, ain't doing too bad a job. Although of course the reason that he took the Millers to promotion last season was that it was a poor league, and the only reason that the Millers have six points (two wins in five, one more than Stubbs in fourteen) that Ipswich and Millwall are rubbish.
The honeymoon period appears to be over for your man.
I couldn't help but notice that St Mirren were at home to managerless Livingston - a team widely expected to finish at the foot of the division - and lost 2-0, failing to have a single shot on goal in the entire 90 minutes. The complaints about the team are that there is a lack of identity, a lack of drive and no evidence of the players wanting to play for the manager. Stubbs' interviews aren't inspiring any confidence. It does all look horribly familiar. I was really disappointed that it didn't work for Stubbs with us and thought the abuse he got was disgraceful, but the performances of the team under his stewardship were just totally uninspiring. He does seem like a thoroughly decent man and he may be a good technical coach, but I really think he might just not be cut out for management. Would I exchange him for what we have in place now? Not on your nelly.
AS started at Hibs with six young pro's and built a team playing good football - winning the cup and being robbed of promotion during the play-offs with Rangers - a game the referee decided. Then he came to Rotherham who had half a squad - the rest culled by NW. The budget to built up a full championship squad was woeful and 60% of wage budget taken up by the likes of Halford - Wood etc - Freck's and Kirk ( the two club captains ) went off long term sick. Unbelievable restraints and considering what he did ( in football terms ) in such a short time with no "infrastructure" at all - was admirable. And considering a 3 year project was his remit 13 week grace was a joke - and the players "who didn't get it" should have been sacked. The potential for creating an Everton style academy that TS courted him with is now impossible - AS could attract top premier league loans as he has this year - even to the Sunday league of Scotland - but considerably better than our loan. Given time I sure he'll produce something up there - his treatment here was a joke and the rubbish written about him and the situation he faced here shows a complete ignorance of those days and football realities. The potential to develop an academy now is dead. I wish we had that in the future to look forward to. Time will tell - but building a team from scratch is difficult and takes longer than 13 weeks.
The oversimplification of complex issues only results in wrong conclusions - some football "technicians" on these pages and MM show appalling ignorance of the footballing realities regarding ..... well.....football in general. Each to their own.
And there it is. The old LBJ line. If you don't agree with LBJ you are 'appallingly ignorant'. Classy.
You constantly harp on about how Warne was in charge for 60% of the season and was culpable for us going down. Lets assume that Stubbs did inherit a mess. Stubbs at least started level on points with everyone else and at least had a say in who he signed. Warne inherited a team bereft of confidence, already adrift at the foot of the division, Blackstock on the payroll, Danny Ward wanting to leave, and he had no chance of doing any real business in the January window to attract players to come on board.
Stubbs got 6 points in 14 games. Warne got 17 points in 27 games. A better average return in more difficult cir***stances. You bang on about Warne naively playing 'open football' but there were 32 goals conceded in Stubbs 14 games and 55 goals conceded in Warnes 27 games. Again a slightly better ratio for Warne.
Warne then rebuilt a team over one Summer that bounced back off the floor to get promotion.
Didn't Warne face an even more difficult task when he took over than Stubbs did?
Didn't Warne do marginally better than Stubbs did, despite having a tougher task?
Why are you prepared to defend Stubbs and say he needed time, but not prepared to give Warne the same grace?
Here's Stubbs. A picture paints a thousand words. It would be quite funny if it were not tragic. Tragic for St Mirren, for their fans, for the players and not least Stubbs himself. I have to feel a pang of sorrow for the man.
Bornamiller, I wasn't having a laugh. As I say its tragic for everyone and I feel sorry that it doesn't seem to be working out for the man, I hope that one day he finds his niche in the game. - it only shows the mentality you have. Be happy - live long and prosper.
The St Mirren fans who don't like Stubbs are *********s, and the posters on here and MM who don't see what you see are appallingly ignorant. According to you. Your words.
You definitely have a propensity to 'SUN' headlines and ignoring the facts. I really don't know how I can help. History is just that ! You simply ignore all the facts pertaining at the time. Warne inherited a rubbish squad....We'll where did AS get the cash from to replace half a squad ( that were gone ) think we had 7 players with only weeks left to kick off. No budget and 60% of wage budget allocated AS worked wonders to get bodies in....and freebies were essential...all at bottom draw price. Even Blackstock was signed by someone other than AS who ( according to writings of the period ) only wanted Blackstock on a short term. History.....!
Quoting results is fine but ignore the mitigating cir***stances of that era. You and yours bring this up all the time and all I do is offer a more "rounded" version. History always becomes distorted when written by one side - just not on my shift.
PW inherited a squad put together on a wing and a prayer. I ate and drank that period of the club's history and I suggest you do some deeper research than club ( Star ) propaganda - the budget was the problem - and NW cull / procrastination leaving us in a near impossible position. But the club prefers a scapegoat and you're buying into it. Look at the finance / EVO's Bro' dissappeared! Bradshaw to Barnsley while the club's hierarchy out of the country.....just some suggested reading - if you're interested in the subject?
AS did well under extremely trying cir***stances but left with head held high. PW just took us down to a pathetic league one. An awful league and we're back with the big boys - it's going to be great no matter what the results are. The defencive naivety is there for all to see - the fox in the box playground. That's my greatest concern this season so far. Although PW is starting to create a defensive theology ( at last ). We need to protect that 'D'
