i am not anti warne at all what he achieved last season was amazing. My moan is about the club not preparing for the championship, therefore ensuring we have a poor start, creating a losing mentality and relegation mentality before the end of August. Have you seen our Sept fixtures expect 3 points max. Warne annoys me because to cover for poor club management he seems to state all manner of contradictions and crap, the latest interview with Veal is hilarious and does not make himself look good at all. I am just disappointed we talk about ambition but when we are given a chance we throw it away and make it hard for ourselves
I think you'll find if things were all rosy then these boards would be redundant. A number of posters bring up the same points - with a slightly different approach - such is debate. The repetitiveness of certain topics is inevitable and essential to respond to another viewpoint - from another poster perhaps. If repetitiveness is your angst then spead read over it - not everyone is on the same page !
Don't be rude though - ever. Empathy is a hardest skill to learn - but we all must try. Football is all about passion and some folk feel more passion than others.
Its not the opinion Bornamiller that is the problem. As is often quoted on here 'everyone has the right to an opinion'. Its the 'manner' that the opinion, discussions, debate, call it what you will, is carried out. Often degenerating into almost aggressive slagging matches, which is very disappointing, because as you say we are all Millers and passionate about our club. This is what I find disturbing.
I moved onto here from MM a good few years ago, because it was friendly, non cliquey, and non judgmental. Some smashing lads all with different characters, views and ideas; some may have regarded that as the football version of an old woman's knitting circle, but I literally did enjoy the Banter. Over the last 12 to 18 months or so an aggression has crept in reminiscent of MM…..the very thing I and others joined this site to escape from. I am not pointing a finger at anyone in particular, but over that period a number of new posters seem, to me, to have brought that particular 'ism' into just about every thread.
I am by nature a quiet, polite person and respect the views of others, not so polite or respectful in my younger days perhaps, but I would walk away from needless confrontation, I bear grudges otherwise, which is not helpful to me. Perhaps therein lies the answer.
Stand up - state your name - and say "I am a MILLERS fan"
Round of applause for taking that first step to recovery. We're all in the same boat young man.
Like many say - we don't own the club and it's not our money - but supporting the club ( any club ) allows certain membership privileges - the ultimate one being allowed to moan without due care and attention. It's a personal thing. Historically I was of the thought the if you haven’t anything positive to say then shut tf up! Therein lay the foundations of eternal stress. Now I'm OLD! I say ****** it publish and be dammed. Somethings wrong in 'TOYTOWN' and noddy is doing Jack s##t about it - let's all have a mass debate.
I'll rephrase that - talking helps.
smiler when people post and do not post is irrelevant, perhaps people only post when they feel strongly about a particular point rather than post constantly with a load of crap. The we are only one game in is not really the point, my issues are about how badly I believe the club have prepared for the championship at all levels. For some strange reason when someone complains people assume they are asking for £10m to be spent, which is not true. What I expect is some degree of honesty and transparency from the board on or investment strategy. I expect a inexperienced manager to call on more experienced people to help him, I expect us to look further than the UK or league1 and league 2 for players, I expect us to put results ahead of wembley loyalty, I expect us to not offload a £300k defender on loan when the guy left to play there has ZERO (sorry for capitals) positioning strength , I expect us not play naive school boy tactics in a league driven by hard closing down and passing. As I have said elsewhere, it is never about losing it is always about the manner in which we lose and the simple mistakes. If the club has zero plans to invest to try and stay up, then tell us so at least we know. Then next season, do not try to get promoted there is no point if we never intend to build on it. Now if what I ask for is unreasonable so be it, but perhaps I am not used to accepting third rate outcomes in my life and perhaps other people are just used to failure. The one thing I will not be is quiet when I have something to say, it is a message board after ll, you make it sound that only you and those that share your views can speak and then only speak when you say so, guess what you are not in control. Now if you want a sensible debate about something related to the club, then let us have it, otherwise get off my case
I appreciate the observations. However, they dont seem to be too realistic.
The idea that the club has mismanaged its recruitment seems odd to me as it is simply about money and we dont have it. We have simply been outbid and thats that. Regardless, we have been outbid many a time , but there havent been too many we missed out on that one could say would certainly have improved our team. Despite that observation, I have to repeat the main and only really fact=we are poor.
Even the much-lauded idea of looking abroad is a bit of a fancy. How on earth are we going to do that? It is all money and time and time and money. we don't have it. Resources are scarce and so is time.
There is a lot of football players in and around the bottom two leagues lets say but how many do you know who are good enough and cheap enough?
warne did do an excellent job last season. I didn't think we would be promoted at any point of the season but he produced the performances and results. The recruitment team obviously got it right (good enough) last season. This season it is harder. We just walked out of Ladbrokes in the village and into the MGM Grand in LA.
Given the kind of revenue stream we have there is a case to stay well within budget take a chance and have enough liquidity and cash for a strong show in L1 should we be relegated. This obviously sounds hopelessly negative and pointless to some. Surprisingly it is the scenario that seems most likely and most prudent.
It doesn't mean we will be relegated and it doesn't mean we can't be a happy and successful club. It simply means we have to have expectations close to the facts of resources.
All that being said, I sincerely believe team spirit and club togetherness is worth a few million in the transfer market. I think Warne and his backroom team clearly know how to coach and motivate. That team last year simply improved all season despite losing out to other clubs on signings, etc.
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Just watching the 51,000 fans at Newcastle that we visited last year and compared the less than 9,500 at NYS with nearly 1,500 from Ipswich. I wonder if just one keynote striker just might have been a marketing departments friend. Adding a few today to see this attraction?
PS: We'll done everyone for the "to me to you" quite emotional and a credit to the club...RIP BARRY & SYD !
All that being said, I sincerely believe team spirit and club togetherness is worth a few million in the transfer market. I think Warne and his backroom team clearly know how to coach and motivate. That team last year simply improved all season despite losing out to other clubs on signings, etc.
I think yesterdays win in the last minute of normal time is a case in point Ian. They never gave up and got the reward. Incidentally I thought the rest of your post was a good summery of our club at present.
-- Edited by ian on Saturday 11th of August 2018 10:33:08 PM
on this thread i thought mattock was awful for the match against Ipswich out of position and got caught out by their winger, was beaten to many times the pass back was truly shocking. this is the evidence of those who think warnes picks his mates keep seeing, purrington must have been really bad yet we paid £300K for him. now he has gone out on loan for the season who does mattock have for competition. I m only singling him out because from my new seat up at the top row of the west stand i can see more of the positional play.
1st half we were hanging on. in the 2nd half them team got better but mattock was still in 2nd gear IMO
I'm on top row SWest stand. Mattock wasn't the worst player for us. Take your pick from Taylor Newell Palmer. I'm hoping to see the player to challenge Mattock for the left back spot. Hinds tomorrow night.
All that being said, I sincerely believe team spirit and club togetherness is worth a few million in the transfer market. I think Warne and his backroom team clearly know how to coach and motivate. That team last year simply improved all season despite losing out to other clubs on signings, etc.
I think yesterdays win in the last minute of normal time is a case in point Ian. They never gave up and got the reward. Incidentally I thought the rest of your post was a good summery of our club at present.
much arrpeciated Towdlad.
-- Edited by ian on Saturday 11th of August 2018 10:33:08 PM
Mattock was not at his best for sure and yes he did have a decent player up against him.
I was very disappointed with Palmer, I have expected more from him.
I was pleased when newall and Taylor were subbed. I thought Taylor did as well as he could given the state of general play but Im wondering if Newall was worth a new contract now. He had a pretty poor season before he rallied in the last third of the season.
It seems to be somewhat of an inconsistency pattern with him. I would expect the management team to really get into him and figure out what mental issues he has.
Just reading anew some earlier posts and found: "but doing it on the cheap wont do it and going to for the musketeer team approach". I think that "doing it on the cheap" is subjective / relative - but whatever it is I think that's what we're trying to do - or at least not allowing costs to get out of control. "Control" is an appropriate coverall for our championship policy. As for "Musketeer" - might that be better described as a "Cavalier" approach...pedantic I know but hey ho...lol
Many of the "Cavalier" were useful guys but no good to us because they definitely did have an attitude problem....and that wouldn't do - would it !
