Smiler - you refer to MM and at time the rhetoric was as bad as those Millers idiots at Barnsley away. And all accusations based on fan hatred for ch ange and a misunderstanding of how long it takes to formulate a team ethic - especially with bad eggs that were the senior pro's - Halford cost us the Birmingham away game single handed. I was protectin the then Millers manager from idiots - full stop realy. Just hate the whole debacle being blamed on one man as it evidently was not and the same rubbish is still being written. You say you saw nothing more than a man clutching at straws - we'll with all your history within football you haven’t ever seen the problems of creating a team from scratch. Any pro' manager will say ( without doubt ) say that Stubbs treatment was a joke! - and the challenges he had to work with virtually impossible but he didn't do a KJ....TS changed his whole philosophy and accepted defeat .