Michael Ihiekwe - Yates to name two that have not improved over the season in fact got progressively worse to the point of being withdrawn.....yet he's a Warne type player yet Ball has "attitude". Perhaps he signed with us with a management team that could take him to higher places. I think there is a lack of respect for our current managers from players that "want more" to be improved. Fischer - JCH - Ball have all gone and they couldn't wait to get away. And done quite well btw.
So - for some - everything is a family and smells of roses - but alienation for others no matter how talented and needing development.
I don't think all this lovie - dovie stuff is as healthy as is being touted. Smacks of 'Westworld' for me - some undercurrents and all a bit weird.
We need some good players and quickly - time to ring the 'Samaritans'.....not for good footballers but really great human beings! We need some class through the door or we're toast.
You claim to have played football. All that I can say that it must have been a pretty weird setup whoever you played for. Did the manager habitually chuck teacups?
Your fantasy scenarios, based upon nothing more than your fertile imagination I do find rather ridiculous, if mildly amusing. Although I think that you will find that everyone is laughing at you, not with you.
There's no need for imagination at all - all the information is out there - people just don"t read all the stuff that's out there. Not forgetting that 90% have only ears for the propaganda the Millers have created via the local rags and radio deedah.
We are a small team in a massive pond now and the management will need to be s##t hot to get this squad through this year. I will be very impressed if we survive but so far it'll be the budget that kills us - just like last year! The budget was the problem last year...plus Warnes lack of experience - playing open football with teams better at it than we were - he was in charge 60% of the season.
I'm more than happy with my theories and knowledge of the Millers - looking forward to this season to see exactly what Warne and his family of players achieve. With our budget I think some realities will become apparent about how our club is run....Kempo always referenced kp nuts for wages and transfers well so far he appears to be right again.
Full houses and great atmospheric so in TS we trust but PW is not a messiah he's a bloke who didn't want the job - by Christmas I think he'll remember why he didn't want it. But good luck to him - my fingers are tightly crossed. It appears the budget will kill the manager - just like the previous ones.
Good luck to him in Aberdeen, from what I saw he just wasn’t up to what we wanted (same with JCH).
Aberdeen have just sold their number 1 striker to the 7th tier of English football, that pretty much sums up the current level of Scottish football. On Celtic with the £20m+ of champs league cash have a decent team. If Dom Ball couldn’t tear it up in that league against the rest of the sides last season, that says it all to me.
I just think the news on most of the players reported to have "attitude" has been skewed to hide the hidden agenda against players who do not 100% buy into the Rotherham United cresch scenario. Ball in particular is used to TOP professional football clubs and let's face it....we're just playing at it in comparison. So Ball probably thought "toytown" club and therefore little respect for a fitness coach who does what he's told.
He wanted better coaches he could learn from when he came here originally - but like Brown...wanted away asap due to new management structure. He couldn't learn from the new team and so mentally he wanted away - and it showed. Good luck to him - losing players of this calibre speaks volumes about our clubs ability to develop players.
How do you know ball and JCH wanted away from RUFC? From what I can see they were not up to the job and unfortunately have to move on. Their attitudes were never spoke about from what I can see, it was all about ability. The only players causing problems within the club were removed at the end of that championship season, they were not aloud to hang around. I bet that cost something to pay off those players, but in the long run was 100% correct as the team showed last year.
Same with Jerry, love him to bits always gives 100% and you can see he’s picked up things from previous strikers at the club but he just can’t take the chances when they’ve come along.
Same as I say to virtually all other players who leave us, I hope he rips it up on loan and scores 30 this coming season!!
For me they were both capable but not in tune with this regime so both JCH - Ball et were frozen out.
So - Warne froze them out - therefore no enjoyment - no game time - downward spiral - sporadic "form" so Warne could get rid. That's just a history lesson if you follow the Millers.
As for Yates - league two player at very best....Someone recently summed him up as: Couldn't run / tackle / dribble / head the ball / beat a player / cross ...just not a footballer for me. Always gave 100% - but zero talent.
Opinions eh...if he was good enough for the Millers I wouldn't pay to watch - his loan shows some common sense but his sale to Salford City would make more sense....but not good enough.
Did you play at a better level than Salford City Pep? Clearly you must have to use the clubs name in a derisory manner.
I played at a far higher level. Does that make me an expert? I never claim to be.
Would it surprise you to learn that I earned better money playing semi-professionaly than I did during three years playing professionaly? I'm sure that you, with your vast knowledge of the game, will be able to explain how that worked. Over to you Pep.
I think it’s quite clear I played at a higher level than Salford city .... have you not checked out my profile pic?????
The Money you get payed for playing and club you play for are linked but not 1:1. Salford are paying disproportionately good money for the league they are in, there is no ffp outside the top four leagues and are on the way up because of it. I for one do not begrudge ANY player who goes somewhere else for more money. Outside football, I’d work for Aldi over John Lewis if they payed more, the point I made is that if these players had the ability they would play for league clubs which GENERALLY pay more.
Aberdeen fans were on talk sport this week stating the state of Scottish football and its clear to see. 10-15 years ago you could argue that Celtic and Rangers could have held there own in the premiership, not now. How far do Celtic get in the champs league every year???? Where did Leicester get in there one chance.... all about opinions is football
I should stick to football then if I was you as I did not slur Salford at all. I said that I thought Yates wasn't good enough for them and Salford wouldn't have him - which begs the question why do we have him on our books at all ?
Yes, I think they have been more loyal to Yates than others, maybe because he’s local? Fans like someone local attached... I can’t see him anything more than a bench warmer in league one for us, not at all in the championship. Maybe his chance has now gone and this is to put him in the shop widow?
Yates wouldn't be the only one who'll not even be a bench warmer when Warney get's his squad together.
After if it happens Rodak & Towell come back on loan need to show our intent on the last two signings. We won't have paid a fee. To buy two aspiring championship players would say up to a million & a half for the both of them in total. Exaggeration? don't think so. Duane Holmes if we are interested in him, he's still under contract at Scunny. Fee to get him would say £750,000. 23 yr old progressive got to be.
I thought that Dom ball had potential but it seems he just doesn't fit the current management mold good luck to him playing in league 2 quality football league. Ps if was any good Tottenham wouldn't have let him go and other championship clubs would have took him before we did so there must be reasons for this.
He is gone we move one like we have since jch left he wanted a move back to Midlands and got it
Yates needed to go on loan lets hope he finds his potential playing regular football. Sheridan is a good coach.
Hopefully towell and roads come back and we get the other 2 pieces of the jigsaw which is a striker and another midfielder as potter is Injured again.
And lets give the team to gel before certain armchair managers get vocal
NOT my money and as a South Yorkshire man - I totally empathise with keeping your money safely in the old pocket - BUT....
In a game where money talks and half decent players cost a lot of money we can't be seen as being skinflints - and we need a player or three in the middle bit of the field with attitude!
Boyscouts are ok - I get that but when they cross that white line we need winners and the fans need a leader or two - not just figuratively - a football man / men who the fans can feel the Rotherham United are
"having a go"!
Premiership loans who we can say WOW they chose us - WE must be doing something right !
Like when Izzy came to play....but have we got the credibility to develop the Premiership youngsters that the top flight demands. That's one major question mark over our management team I have....get a real diamond to just polish a bit rather than a non - league rough diamond that will only end up as grinding paste. We have those already and they nearly cost us dearly.
Anyone who can polish diamonds will surely not be polishing away in Rotherham would they. They'd be making mega bucks in the Prem. Its wishful thinking and unrealistic to expect either expensive players or diamond polishing managers to want to come to Rotherham .
We've got we've got. A management team who, incidentally I disapproved of to begin with, have within 18 months of taking office brought success back to the club and won promotion back to the Championship at the first time of asking. As a South Yorkshireman, I'd say "That'll do for me".
Can't fault Warney but a massive signing hasn't happened yet. We haven't paid a fee yet. Two signings to show we mean it. No messing proper bids, not low bids how we've always worked. I'll believe then.
this time i think its going to be different now we know he spent the budget on much needed upgrades to the training ground
so he has the cash to buy what he needs but we always forget just its free transfer we forget signing on fee and wages
We are unfortunately bottom of the list for players in the championship, maybe even after 1 or 2 in league one now!
Maybe we are holding out for a big money move, fingers crossed it’s towell to come in on a permanent deal.....
and please get a keeper soon!!
Again smiler - attacking the poster NOT development of an "argument".
"Bornamiller is just repeating the same old tired nonsense"
So YOU think it's nonsense well whoopee doo!
Let's all retire and read the Gospel according to St Smiler. We are all wasting time watching / playing / management and coaching and now at 61 I realise my mistake.....not buying smiler book on all things football.
It's football ! I'll make one less disciple for you - MM about the same level of clique - mutual mass-debating at its best.
Said it before - enjoy your season!
I'm off....more important things in life...
Jesus, BM. Don't leave now. Your last few posts have been the best for ages. I always say don't sit on the fence for too long 'cos the splinters or ar5e ache can get the better of you.
