Played for us yesterday at Parkgate. Give him a chance same as rest of the players. Said we're looking for another Centre back. He's there. I rate him.
He has had lots of chances. How many chances does someone get? It was the same with Clarke-Harris. There are plenty of good players out there - plenty better than Dominic Ball - who might want to play for us and don't come with baggage. I haven't seen anything from him to suggest he is a championship footballer. So the better question is can we persuade someone to take him from us and get him off the wage bill?
Dom Ball came with Fisher who is an insult of a professional footballer, he didn't want to play for the club who was playing his wages. When I see him play for Preston he's no better. Dom Ball can always remember seeing him at the side of Fry. He was the one covering, getting stuck in. Hope it works for him here. Who are we going to get better? Along with Vaulks was Stubbs best signings. Taylor never be a winger. Forde league 1 player at best.
I look what they are saying on MM cause nobody says anything on this site. Dom Ball whose a Centre back from what I can see played Right back Saturday. They basically saying on there get him fit in Austria & ship him out. That's how stupid it is saying that. So we keep Ihiewke who couldn't hack it when it came down to it in league 1. If Dom Ball proves himself in pre season he'd be an asset to us. That could make for a signing elsewhere in the side. We still need a keeper central midfield player a wide player a striker. I'm hoping central midfield player or the wide player could cover Right back.
I look what they are saying on MM cause nobody says anything on this site.
To be more accurate T71, if MB members say anything, it's generally because they have something constructive to say. But just to keep you happy, I'll repeat what I've said previously about Dom Ball. He was a disaster with us in the Championship previously. He looked like a novice short on skill and short on confidence. I realise he was playing alongside Fry at times, but that young lad could rightly say his performances were affected by Ball's incompetence. Having said that, if by some miracle he has come good (and I've seen nothing since he left us to support this), I will quite gladly offer him my support. However, if PW considers that he is not suitable for our set up, the manager has my overriding confidence and support.
I'll now shut up until there's something substantial to talk about.
What I want to see here next season is players good enough for the championship. Dom Ball who by all accounts played well for Aberdeen in the latter part of last season could be. If it looks that way good for us. We go with Robertson Ajayi Wood Dom Ball in contention to play has Centre backs. Ihiewke do we all agree can leave. As somebody said somewhere if he plays in the championship it will be calamitous.
-- Edited by T71 on Tuesday 10th of July 2018 11:29:47 AM
I don't know how many times T71 I have seen you say that you go on what you see with your own eyes, but then you say you read that Ball did ok in the last few games at Aberdeen.
What I saw with my eyes was a player out of his depth in The Championship. What I saw of his time with Aberdeen was a couple of live games on TV in which he had stinkers (one was a cup final or semi at Hampden when his schoolboy error gave Motherwell their first goal).
What I have seen from Aberdeen fans is that in the eight games or so he actually played (in a standard that is probably League One) he was awful for the first few and average for the remainder. The feeling at Aberdeen seems to be that some wouldn't have him back at all and others would have him back as a squad player as long as there was no fee involved. Hardly a glowing recommendation.
I also wonder how many times with your own eyes you have seen Darnell Fisher play for Preston? Their supporters seem to really rate him.
You called for Pickford to be dropped by England and called for Pope to be called up, then later said that you had not actually seen Pope play. You did the same with Matt Palmer early on - you say you never go to away games but formed an opinion about him based on what posters on your favourite message board were saying about his away performances.
It all seems a bit inconsistent and random to be honest.
Dominic Ball will never play for us again is my prediction. We are stuck with him at the moment because he is contracted to us, but I imagine that as soon as we can find someone willing to take him off us or pay a fair proportion of his wages during a loan he will be gone. If he wants to play regular football he also needs the move. Credit to him for going to Aberdeen to play football when it was clear that he wasn't going to play for us. The question is whether anyone rates him highly enough to take him at whatever that wage cost is, or whether he will take a pay cut to move on to a new home (or whether we will make up the difference to help it happen).
I do on what I see, usually my 1st instinct about a player is right. I get it wrong. Would say Dom Ball has more chance starting in our opening game at Brentford than Palmer. When push came to shove in the play-off final Palmer weren't selected, that's a polite way of putting it. If he's omitted in league 1 unlikely he'll be 1st choice in the championship. Seen Fisher quite a few times on sky for Preston, I'd say defending he does his job but getting forward he's same when he was with us he's no Tavernier.
I don't go to away games cause it's too much hassle. I pay to watch football not a certain amount of our own fans letting our club down.
Excellent. Let's hope it is right. We free up a wage and get a player out of the building who isn't part of our plans, and he gets football elsewhere which he needs at this stage in his career. I notice he isn't scheduled to be at either Sheffield FC or Stocksbridge later this evening.
Excellent. Let's hope it is right. We free up a wage and get a player out of the building who isn't part of our plans, and he gets football elsewhere which he needs at this stage in his career. I notice he isn't scheduled to be at either Sheffield FC or Stocksbridge later this evening.
Nowhere to be seen tonight but surely better to have Dom Ball who could be a championship player than Ihiewke or Onariase who both never will be.
I doubt that any of Oniarise, Ihiekwe or Ball were or are going to figure much for us this season.
If that is right, whether to keep them as cover, offload them or loan them out will depend on a number of things, like the wages that they are on and how they are likely to react to being peripheral figures/squad players.
The bottom line is that some people seem to rate him as a player or prospect, and others haven't seen anything in him as a footballer. I am firmly in the latter group. I don't rate him at all.
Clearly while Warne is manager Ball is not going to play for us again. He has one more year on his contract, No doubt we would release him on a free to move elsewhere permanently if that would get him off the wage bill. Presumably if some other club matched his wages and offered him a two year deal he would be happy to move on. The fact that seemingly nobody wants him on a permanent deal and that the best available solution is that Aberdeen will take him on loan probably suggests that we aren't the only ones who don't really fancy him. League One Peterborough didn't either, did they?
ball obviously has some issues that warne just isn't willing to tolerate. Tottenham or other clubs would have come for him if was any good that fact we got him says quite a lot as we quite far down the pecking order
me personally thought he would have been worth keeping as cover for the defense and midfield, but warne must have better options
in regards dale fry i did think do ball was the better but speaking to some Peterborough fans on my jollies i have had a re think they said his on field attitude was that i am better than this .
but watching fry play in the under 21 tournament in France he has come good playing in the first team for boro and is one for the future in the premiership and maybe England
i have to admit its been a concern about the lack of movement. but we have another 5 week. tony has said there is cash to spend but wisely left it in warnes hands as warne will spend it wisely hopefully.
Me personally have doubts on this humanist issue that warne keep mentioning about not wanting a disruptive element. well with talent you get ego is how you man manage that ego and if warne wants to progress as a manager he will have to learn to manage that not avoid it
Worries me there's quite a few players at that club who are not championship players. Might be easier to name the ones who are. Regards Dom Ball hope we get like for like to replace him. Someone still good enough not was. Not some 31 yr old full back whose played a lot of games but what's he got left. Hope we've learned from Collins Wilson Blackstock ect..
Dom Ball was brought in to "develop" under a regime that was more than capable and had a good track record in developing players. He's been frozen out by te worst kind of cliques. OK Warne's way or the highway but like others have said I don't think Warne has ever brought in anyone better than he was - and to improve our "stock" - egos have to be managed and young talented upstarts manipulated and development of those players is the key to that.
The Warne type players complained about Stubbs that "they didn't get what he wanted" - and so undermined the manager of the period. Sadly it was perfectly obvious that the players didn't get it because they were not bright enough or good enough - and probably both....Wood being a prime example.
Ok Wood scored the brace at Wembley and we are back with the big boys...but the test starts now and if the clique continues and egos are frowned upon well!
'Kodak' - Goalkeeper was the key to last season and not getting a top keeper is the main worry for me....so again - discrimination is bad every time but "positive discrimination" is the worst of all. That's why all players with a bit a character have gone - all with "attitude problems" - no they don't want to play for us because they don't like cliques and want to "develop" their careers under a regime capable of the task. But Yates is still here - I bet his BBQ is gleaming ready for the new season!
Hope the boy scouts transfer in soon - time is running out.
Bornamiller is just repeating the same old tired nonsense. How Stubbs was really very good. How Warne is just an unsophisticated trainer installed as a yes man. It is the same tripe he spewed out relentlessly on Mad, to the point that they got fed up of hearing it and banned him. It is a shame it has spilled over here.
Why oh why would anyone want to come on here at this point in time in praise of Stubbs and attacking Warne? Very sad. Let it go.
It is possible to be talented and be a good individual. Team spirit is a good thing. Hard work is a good thing. Warne may have gone back to basics, but that has served us well. Lets start from there and build from it.
This season is going to be very difficult. Chances are we will struggle. That is the likelihood, because we are hugely under-resourced compared to the competition and for the most part the clubs with the most money finish above those with least. I dread to think what Bornamiller and others like him will post on here if that comes to pass. It will be unbearable.
No - missing the point - the point is the concern I have regarding the future development of the club. That will inevitably involve individuals with attitude / ego whatever. The status quo is well do***ented but in the threads op we'rescued talking a "GOOD" player in positions we need yet he's gone.
He would have been "developed" - he should be developed but not apparently here....and he's only one.....is this the standard.. I hope not !
Do you honestly believe Bornamiller that the current staff do not work with players to try and make them better players? Did you see no improvement in any of the players in our squad as last season panned out? Do you honestly believe that when Warne talks about 'good human beings' he is actually trying to create or even wants a group of robots, and that he isn't willing to work with or perhaps wouldn't even want some individuals who might need careful man management? What he doesn't want is players who do things like toss it off when they aren't picked. There is a difference.
