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Firstly it has been a good season in which PW has proved his worth & we have seen some good games & good Millers performances but if anyone reading this is of the opinion that this Millers squad is ready or capable of Championship football they are sadly mistaken. If by luck or judgement we sneak into the playoffs & win them, it would take MASSIVE investment in the playing budget for us to have much of a chance of staying in the second tier, the present squad wouldn't get 20 points.

The biggest disappointment in the recent defeats is that our relegation threatened opponents wanted it more than us, complacency seems to have set in with some players & we seem to have resorted to our failed tactic of defending too deep.

Semi (especially) seems to be struggling & needs dropping for his own development, is ***mings better than Emmanuel? Why is Yates always in the squad when he couldn't hit a barn door with a bazooka? Are Palmer & Vaulks the same bloke?

What was the point of signing Lavery, he offers nothing?

All questions that we could debate but it's Warnes decision & he's exceeded my expectations so there you go.



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the fans don't want to go up, the manager doesn't the board don't so now the players are doing as they are told and easing off a bit, it has been a good season league 1 next year and enjoy the football, we win some we lose some, but we get to go to burton and that is 15mins from my house lol



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this season we had moore as our front man and we was scoring for the fun of it

teams learned how to counter moore and we had poor run

moore gets banned and we tried plan b and started the winning streak again.

teams have now learned how to counter this

plan c needed

on last nights performance ***mings had his first start in ages and will judge him as he gets more game time

semi get over confident and thinks he is bobby moore. may be need dropping for the next two matches and play ithiewe

i would drop forde as well for the next two matches and play either taylor or williams on the right

up front its two from ball lavery smith

yates why the hell did he bring him on and not ball


me personally would change it and play a back 3 of vaulks ithiewe woods

5 man midfield mattock newell palmer towell taylor

with ball and smith up front with towell playing behind them



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there maybe a conspiracy that the board dont want promotion

but the players will want it

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I did wonder when PW would be told to hold off. We just can't afford the Championship.

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well putting yates on does add fuel to the fire

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We can afford the championship if we approach it honestly and set out our stall to maybe go up and back down without making wild claims of top 3 and premiership. If we stop trying to win the league then we might as well do away with promotion and relegation and just play in financial divisions of haves and have nots. If I thought it was uncompetitive them I'd probably switch to non league where everyone is trying to progress.

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That's why last year's "planned relegation" ( giving Warne the job ) was not highlighted as a plan and used AS as a scapegoat.

We never had a budget for the players we needed after Warnock's cull of players. Warnock also left us hanging and the cupboard was empty when we started shopping for any bargains. Blaming AS was ludicrous - in fact he was making some progress when the panic button was pushed. The Newcastle game was the way forward for us despite many not appreciatin what was happening within the club at the time.

Our defence is shocking and Semi & Wood liabilities.

Bloody shocking last night - our league position flatters us due to the very poor quality in this league.....EVO will rub our noses in it when we play them. Hope I'm wrong but EVO is a "manager" - Warne is not.

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We lose two games and our football world falls apart around us. I'm sure lots of us did not expect an instant return to the Championship after one season in League 1. Look at ours neighbours in Sheffield S6, they spent wads of dosh on players last season. They are now hovering just above the relegation drop zone in the Championship. Our other neighbours in Sheffield S2 have been punching above their weight for some time now. I'd say that the chickens have now come home to roost in their respective stadiums.

We are a work in progress. Look at the proposed extension to our stadium. That seems to have been put on the back burner. We would need to extend further before we step back into the Championship. Quality players cost money. If there is an increased demand for football down at the NYS and there are regular full houses season after season it would naturally follow that TS would expand the NYS. Until that happens we will be having the same conversations about wins, defeats and languishing in the lower leagues.


As for the debate about Evo and Warne and the ability to manage/coach. They are totally different individuals with different styles and approaches to football management.

Ask yourself a question, 'Which of those two people would be deserving of a gong at Buckingham Palace for services to sport?'

It's a no brainer for me.




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I don't buy into any of the conspiracy theories. Our league position exceeds most fans expectations but we are clearly miles away from having a squad that could make a decent fist of the Championship & that's why I stated that we would need massive investment in the playing budget, money the club doesn't have. PW & his staff are doing well & have exceeded expectations but they haven't been told to "hold off" as has been mentioned.
Side note; Is Bornamiller TTB in disguise & do you need a passport to enter his planet?

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im hoping warne yet again proves us wrong and we do the double on northampton and southend

and i hope we beat peterborough for 3 reasons

1) 3 pts
2) cant stand evans
3) will stop any evans is better than warnes posts

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I think it definitely needs changing up Saturday. Palmer and Taylor need to be in from the start, Palmer to look after the ball and Taylor to offer us some much needed pace.

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yep totally agree

 



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BradtheMiller wrote:

I don't buy into any of the conspiracy theories. Our league position exceeds most fans expectations but we are clearly miles away from having a squad that could make a decent fist of the Championship & that's why I stated that we would need massive investment in the playing budget, money the club doesn't have. PW & his staff are doing well & have exceeded expectations but they haven't been told to "hold off" as has been mentioned.
Side note; Is Bornamiller TTB in disguise & do you need a passport to enter his planet?

 brad 

the evidence is mounting

t71 = kempo = bornamiller = gwru plus others

 

despite cries of innoncence email address can  be created

 



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We haven't got a right back good enough. Play Vaulks there or go 3-5-2. Think we need to go back to 3 midfield. Could do with Proctor getting fit ASAP. As I said before the game last night play Taylor up front.

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NewYorkshire wrote:

We can afford the championship if we approach it honestly and set out our stall to maybe go up and back down without making wild claims of top 3 and premiership. If we stop trying to win the league then we might as well do away with promotion and relegation and just play in financial divisions of haves and have nots. If I thought it was uncompetitive them I'd probably switch to non league where everyone is trying to progress.

 I agree with this post 100%.

I am not sure why anyone would think we don't want to go up.  If (as the conspiracy theorists would have it) it is about money, then don't you think going up would massively increase our revenue from visiting fans, commercial and sponsorship activity and TV revenue? 

If we were truly skint and if TS didn't have the appetite any more, he would be looking for us to go up either to make it attractive for a buyer/investor or to go up, or to not spend much if anything and come straight back down but financially much better off.

Staying down on purpose makes no sense at all.  It is an allegation that used to do the rounds back in the Pursehouse and Booth days. No basis at all for it.

It is a shame that a young player like Yates who gives his all and rarely gets a chance in his preferred position has become a bit of a scapegoat.

I agree that the team needs freshening up.  We have good players who have been on the bench.  Time to give them a go now.

By all accounts Palmer can actually pass and look after the football and keep it ticking over.  We are desperate for that.  One of Towell or Vaulks needs to make way.  For me Vaulks isn't doing it lately.  I also think either Taylor or Williams deserves a go on the right wing.  I admit I am not a Forde fan.  I think he had a better spell lately but he was anonymous against Donny and Rochdale and listening to the commentary last night he didn't offer a lot.

I was encouraged by Warne's post match comments about Palmer doing well to get on the ball and pass it, and about the players needing to be braver in possession.  Too often when you have a big lad up front it is too easy just to play long all the time.  I think we are falling into that trap a bit.  Nothing wrong with mixing it up and having a long throw and big units for set pieces etc, but we have players who can actually play if given half a chance and we need to do more of it.

 



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I remember a couple of times the word on the Tiv was that the Boothy's didn't want us to go up, I think this was obvious the season after we won the 4th Division and crashed and burned after Christmas. I'm in 2 minds about it. My sensible head says too soon but really if the powers that be are doing this then it destroys eveything about football for me, we should be going for it surely?

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hillsborough miller wrote:

there maybe a conspiracy that the board dont want promotion

but the players will want it

 only an idiot (fan or otherwise) would say ANY team doesn't want promotion...



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Why can't a professional football team NOT want promotion. Wood had benefitted greatly from our championship demise ( despite him being a major reason why we were relegated ) He's earned two additional contracts from his bessy mate Warne - Wood for one does not want promotion - he SHOULDN'T get another contract.

Not getting into the multi arguments. Worry about the subject matter not trying to undermine those that simply disagree with you.

Just don't read what you don't want to read - speed read over it. But simply rubbishing others opinions is self rightous - agree or disagree - all views have merit and can highlight interesting points.

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Professional footballers want to win - it's in their DNA and to somehow want to not achieve promotion would involve them having a deliberate plan to selectively play badly - times 12 if it's a team conspiracy. They live for winning and the fans reaction plus better wages, kudos and recognition gained in higher divisions. It's not a valid or logical argument to say the club has enacted a plan - I think the break affected our flow and we are having a wobble in performances.

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