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Apparently Evans & Raynor have signed long term deals at the Posh, or the Spivs as they are now known (MacAnthony, Fry & Evans), yeah right!! Those two wouldn't know loyalty if it bit em on their fat arses.
I hope the Stags players & fans had a good party now they've eradicated the poison from their club.

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Bit harsh that Brad. I am not an Evans fan, but the other way to look at it is that clubs tend not to show managers much loyalty these days so can you blame a manager for looking after himself? We don't know whether for example Evans asked Mansfield for a longer contract or improved terms and they wouldn't do it. What goes on behind the scenes in the world of football is anyones guess. And if you want results and have a budget, Evans has a record of delivering. Just for balance.

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We all know EVO thought he was Fergies mini-me. With that in mind he told the players what he wanted and they either bought into it or they were history. Now - before he came we were lost! The team had no method and were drawing wages which I deplore. Players are like teenagers - they see an easy way and they take it - they end up being in control and saying ( knowing ) and there's nothing you can do about it.

That's why SOME PLAYERS hate him - but those with a good work ethic will have no problem with him.

That's what I like about him.

Players are big kids and need a boot up the ar5e or they take the pi55.

PW is ok for now - a happy band of players who get on - no primadonna players .

But we haven't got anybody worth over £400k and worthy of the first name on the team sheet in the championship - or ever have been for that matter.

An individual like that might just rock the boat for PW - yet EVO would know how to make him feel like the best and play at his best.

That's the problem we'll have in a league where such as PW's bessy mate Wood would be laughed at ( again ) and having a club cresch means ****** all.

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I remember when he was paraded at DVS in the stand, I didn't stand up and clap him. I was not amused. Yes he contributed to getting us to the Champ, but any old chimp could have done it the way he did. Budget busting, scant respect for players - signing them then ditching them in a heartbeat. As mentioned on here, he had form of blowing the cash then running when there was no more.

I saw no evidence of coaching players to develop and be better, only throwing as many at it until something sticks. That is not being a coach and if he makes a living doing that, it's only the state of the game that allows such things to happen.

Have no time for the guy

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You are describing every premier league manager. Even the mercurial and much lauded Eddie Howe is in a rule busting Bournemouth setup. Jose Marinho spends every penny a club can afford and gets results- football became a game of money vs money a long time ago. There aren't clubs moving from L2 to the Premiership with a set of players grown in house, just isn't realistic and is an ancient idealist view in this modern world where managers are given the bullet for 10 bad results.

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just a bring a smile

evans said he left mansfield to pursue a overseas career opportunity nearly sprayed my laptop with coffee reading that




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NY that's a very good response and yeah I agree - I probably do have that view. Probably why I like youth football and for most part can't stand the mens pro game

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are we referring to bournmouth breaking fair play rules

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Bornamiller wrote:

We all know EVO thought he was Fergies mini-me. With that in mind he told the players what he wanted and they either bought into it or they were history. Now - before he came we were lost! The team had no method and were drawing wages which I deplore. Players are like teenagers - they see an easy way and they take it - they end up being in control and saying ( knowing ) and there's nothing you can do about it.

That's why SOME PLAYERS hate him - but those with a good work ethic will have no problem with him.

That's what I like about him.

Players are big kids and need a boot up the ar5e or they take the pi55.

PW is ok for now - a happy band of players who get on - no primadonna players .

But we haven't got anybody worth over £400k and worthy of the first name on the team sheet in the championship - or ever have been for that matter.

An individual like that might just rock the boat for PW - yet EVO would know how to make him feel like the best and play at his best.

That's the problem we'll have in a league where such as PW's bessy mate Wood would be laughed at ( again ) and having a club cresch means ****** all.

 Agree with most of that. Not many do. Questionable if Warney can manage in the championship. Need to go more on ability then. With that comes players who will rock the boat.



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I agree with NY up to a point. If everybody adopted that approach however who would actually be bringing young players into the game?

I also think that even if you accept that point of view, Evans' turnover of players was astonishing by any standards. I forget the exact number but I think it was about 95 players who appeared for us during Evans' three and a half years in charge. Whilst I agree that we may not have paid big transfer fees for players, there were many free agents signed who would have been on good signing on fees and good wages. We also had loan players in who were definitely not cheap, players like Jack Hunt, Danny Lafferty, Sammon, Tavernier etc.

The number of players who we got in and let go without them playing more than a handful of games was remarkable. How much did we spend in real terms on the likes of Mat Sadler, Laurence Wilson, Scott Loach, Febian Brandy etc who between them didn't muster more than ten appearances. They weren't free to sign, and we may have had to pay them off to get them out.

The term 'revolving door' was used often to describe Evans' recruitment style and not without reason, and that most certainly would have had a significant impact on our budget. There was an awful lot of waste sifted through to find the occasional gem. For every Frecklington there were three or four Michael Tidsers or Connor Newtons.

The general point is that the rollercoaster ride probably wasn't a cheap one.



-- Edited by smiler on Thursday 1st of March 2018 12:29:13 PM

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All that said - and totally agree !

But that's precisely why the three year project managers ( who were never given a reasonable chance ) Let's be fair they were making long-term managerial decisions - based on youth development NOT the EVO short termism we were trying to get away from.

That's why we should have allowed the 3 year project at least a season to change the culture of the club because - as far as the championship is concerned - we are back to square one with a manager not experienced enough for the championship but an enthusiastic squad that "get on".....this is what Barnsley did to us at Oakwell and many thought that a disaster.

If you know about football that result should not have been a surprise.

We had a totally reformed - trial squad and shape whereas they we an established "group"

If we go up that unity will only take us so far then we'll be found out without playing the tactics of survival - as many fans rejected back then.

So - as I say - back to square one but without the management team that :

1...Can organise at team to survive .

2...Develop youth through a respected academy.



-- Edited by Bornamiller on Thursday 1st of March 2018 02:34:23 PM

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apparently he was going to take a job overseas last time i looked cambridgeshire was still in uk has there been a cambexit and i missed it

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I read he had offers from overseas but they couldn't import PUKKA PIES!

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hillsborough miller wrote:

are we referring to bournmouth breaking fair play rules

 Yes Hillsborough. They broke them big style, £40m!!! to get £160m reward for the first season in the Prem, good bet by Mr Demin. 

 

 

 



-- Edited by WorcesterMiller on Friday 2nd of March 2018 12:42:11 PM

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