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IN PRAISE OF PAUL WARNE
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Without knowing anything about his brief from Tony Stewart or the constraints and freedoms that he works under, Paul Warne is achieving the potential as a football manager that some expected, some hoped for and some thought was frankly beyond him.  He has been through a very severe apprenticeship, following in the wake of two miserable failures who left the club bereft of confidence, talent and spirit, but full of over-rated and over-paid so-called professional footballers. He was left with no chance of avoiding relegation from the Championship and, understandably, his credentials and competence as a manager were questioned during that dispiriting season. 

However, his preparation for life in League One showed the first shoots of promise as a manager of potential. His signings, including the loans of Moore, Towell, Rodak and Emmanuel, plus the permanent acquisition of quality players such as Williams, Potter, Ball, Iheikwe, Ajayi and Proctor showed that he had a style of play in mind and that he recognised the attributes needed to achieve his plan.  He showed courage in letting club legend Frecklington leave which demonstrated business sense and a confidence that he could replace that quality. His determination to shore up the goalkeeping frailties that we've experienced for well over a year saw him publicly pin his colours to the mast and give Rodak a guaranteed place and some much needed consistency whilst at the same time dispensing with the services, again for a fee, of the error prone O'Donnell.  Perhaps his greatest achievement in the transfer market was ridding the club of the financial leech that was Blackstock.  The recent signings of Smith and Palmer in the notoriously difficult January transfer window, have the potential to take the team to a new level and hopefully a punt at the play-offs.

His game management and his intelligent use of quality substitutes to make the most of tiring opposition defenders has seen us over-run sides in recent weeks. Sides who are above us in the table have had no answer to the fantastic fitness levels, application and team spirit that Warne has developed. His post match interviews may not be to everyone's liking, but he maintains a refreshing honesty about the job and I imagine the players feel that they know exactly what he wants from them and that there are no hidden agendas. 

I know it's a work in progress and things change quickly in football, but it's great to see someone who's part of the fabric of the club develop into such a valuable asset. Personally, I look forward to witnessing his continued improvement and I'm optimistic about how far he can take and develop this group of players. Anyway, I thought it was timely to acknowledge the work that Paul Warne is doing for our club and to wish him the best of fortune for his remaining time in charge.



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Evans - anyone can do what he has done with the money he's had, when he's (badly) used it he's ran, and left a trail of destruction wherever he has been

Redfearn - too much of a thinker, with more experience u23 and down not surprising to see where he's ended up (but good luck to him)

Stubbs - like Andy Scott hell bent on a belief system and damn well wont change or adapt despite working in different environments

Warnock - legend, been there, done it got the t-shirt, don't know what he'd be like at a club where they cry out for entertaining football to be a gimme though. Old fashioned values that will sadly be eroded from the game (but he'll be retired by then). Always remembered his roots and how priveledged he was to be in the job. Couldn't afford him.

Jackett - while no info has come to light, he strikes me as he thought himself bigger, came from Wolves then went to Pompey - backs that up, but another one who has been around the circuit but never really pulled up any trees. All the charisma of teapot.

Warney - a qualified teacher, crash course through to UEFA badges, humble and remembers where he has come from and what a priveledged position he's in (parallels with Warnock). He's not stupid and has that air of secondary PE teacher about him, which our younger players will relate to and is probably more relevant to todays players and game than we give credit for.

That's a list of our last 6 managers, Warnock aside its not hard to see who would be second in line. If indeed we did get to a play off final - I don't think there would be anyone more proud in the stadium, and in honesty the s*** he's had to deal with - there is nobody more deserving. Hope it continues (although I'm scared as hell of us being in the Championship again so soon).

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Exetermiller wrote:

Evans - anyone can do what he has done with the money he's had, when he's (badly) used it he's ran, and left a trail of destruction wherever he has been

Redfearn - too much of a thinker, with more experience u23 and down not surprising to see where he's ended up (but good luck to him)

Stubbs - like Andy Scott hell bent on a belief system and damn well wont change or adapt despite working in different environments

Warnock - legend, been there, done it got the t-shirt, don't know what he'd be like at a club where they cry out for entertaining football to be a gimme though. Old fashioned values that will sadly be eroded from the game (but he'll be retired by then). Always remembered his roots and how priveledged he was to be in the job. Couldn't afford him.

Jackett - while no info has come to light, he strikes me as he thought himself bigger, came from Wolves then went to Pompey - backs that up, but another one who has been around the circuit but never really pulled up any trees. All the charisma of teapot.

Warney - a qualified teacher, crash course through to UEFA badges, humble and remembers where he has come from and what a priveledged position he's in (parallels with Warnock). He's not stupid and has that air of secondary PE teacher about him, which our younger players will relate to and is probably more relevant to todays players and game than we give credit for.

That's a list of our last 6 managers, Warnock aside its not hard to see who would be second in line. If indeed we did get to a play off final - I don't think there would be anyone more proud in the stadium, and in honesty the s*** he's had to deal with - there is nobody more deserving. Hope it continues (although I'm scared as hell of us being in the Championship again so soon).

 i must admit that I like many others thought paul warne's appointment was a mistake and he was made a manager on the cheap by the stewarts

at the moment i am eating a large piece of humble pie 

 



-- Edited by hillsborough miller on Monday 29th of January 2018 07:18:05 AM

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I do think his appointment was a cheap option to take the fall into L1 and L2. To his credit he has managed to instill a decent work ethic and team spirit in the bunch such that we are now operating at a decent level. I think this has a lot to do with him and not a lot to do with our chairman who I'm sure would have cheerfully thrown PW under the bus if we had underperformed this year and dropped again. I have often been frustrated by his reluctance to make changes when we are making no headway and his dogged persistence with certain players but it's good to see that he is adapting and moving into a more pragmatic management approach evaluating the on pitch situation as it develops. So I think I'm now picking up my fork and chewing on that first mouthful of the aforementioned humble pie.

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I like Warne as a bloke. I like his honesty. He is happy to give the impression at times that he is bumbling along but I think in reality he is a pretty smart operator. He seems to have the respect of the players which is always a great place for a manager to start.

I wasn't a fan of Warne's appointment, the primary reason being that at a time when we needed someone to steady the ship it seemd to me to be madness to appoint someone who not only had no experience but (more importantly) had no qualifications and on his own account no great wish to become a manager.

Of course we will never know what someone else could have done in the same cir***stances, but Warne has certainly acquitted himself very well as an individual and the team (and squad) seems to be taking shape and getting stronger. We have scored a lot of goals and picked up enough results to give us hope and a bit of pride. Now that we have given him the task and he has shown that he has something about him, we need to give Warne the time to continue his good work even if (as we inevitably will) we have the occasional poor run of form.

I think our business in the transfer window has been nicely done. No great fuss and we will leave it stronger than we started it.

The old humble pie is on the menu in my house too.

All good.

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Glad to see so many people admitting they were wrong about Warne's appointment & I'm happy to add my name to said list. Under trying cir***stances he is doing a fine job & even though as has been said the prospect of returning to the Championship next season frankly terrifies me, long may it continue.

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We are on a run of wins and draws - points on the board BUT - had this league been any better we wouldn't have ac***ulated a fraction of the points we have.

Warne was an absolute disaster in the championship as expected. The "disasters" of managers before him were working with both hands tied behind their backs. Bereft of an adiquate budget in a money hungry league - Warne was TS's man to take us where a club of our size belongs. But blaming the previous manager's is a nonsense.

Our defence is still shambolic and any decent centre forward / attack would take us apart.

It's sad but true but the football is poor but the league very forgiving in fact it flatters us. I've enjoyed two halves of football in the last ten or so matches. Keeping Wood and the incredible love affair with Yates indicates something but aspirations of quality football it does not.

 

We are what we are and TS has done a brilliant job NOT chasing rainbows. He has shown an understanding of his business and positioned us as team that can compete in league one....but I doubt we'll be hitting the championship any season soon - we can't afford it.



-- Edited by Bornamiller on Thursday 1st of February 2018 09:55:50 PM



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Bornamiller wrote:

We are on a run of wins and draws - points on the board BUT - had this league been any better we wouldn't have ac***ulated a fraction of the points we have.

Warne was an absolute disaster in the championship as expected. The "disasters" of managers before him were working with both hands tied behind their backs. Bereft of an adiquate budget in a money hungry league - Warne was TS's man to take us where a club of our size belongs. But blaming the previous manager's is a nonsense.

Our defence is still shambolic and any decent centre forward / attack would take us apart.

It's sad but true but the football is poor but the league very forgiving in fact it flatters us. I've enjoyed two halves of football in the last ten or so matches. Keeping Wood and the incredible love affair with Yates indicates something but aspirations of quality football it does not.

 

We are what we are and TS has done a brilliant job NOT chasing rainbows. He has shown an understanding of his business and positioned us as team that can compete in league one....but I doubt we'll be hitting the championship any season soon - we can't afford it.



-- Edited by Bornamiller on Thursday 1st of February 2018 09:55:50 PM



-- Edited by Bornamiller on Thursday 1st of February 2018 09:56:21 PM

 If everything goes belly up PW carries the can not TS. 



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is it me or has it struck you as very odd

1) tony not been in media lately about rotherham
2) the north stand havent chanted his name like they used too

im under no illusions that tony is reluctant to release the purse strings after evans revolving door and his own bad choice of management andy scott stubbs costing in payoff plus warnock bonus ( well deserved bonus ) i exclude redfearn as i thought had been given the time like warne has we would be in the same position we are today but a year earlier.

paul warne if he gets us in to the playoffs he deserves all the credit nothing to tony as he only pays the wages and odd visit to the training ground

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Lets have a quick look at the business we have done in the transfer window.

Out and off the wage bill have gone O'Donnell, Moore, Frecklington, JCH, Bray and Onniarise. Frecks, O'Donnell and JCH will have been on proper money and we will have been paying a good chunk of Moore's Championship salary.

In have come Smith, Palmer and Lavery (on loan).

We reportedly got a small amount for O'Donnell and a six figure sum for Frecklington. We reportedly paid around £300K for Palmer. Maybe a small fee for Smith.

Adding it all up, in all likelihood our wage bill is probably net less than it was at the start of January and we have probably spent about £100K to £150K on transfer fees. The deficit on fees is probably about balanced off in the budget by the wage saving.

Of course we are left guessing a bit because of the ridiculous way that transfer fees can remain 'undisclosed'.

I think it is notable that financially the window sees us about net neutral. We were told that the Danny Ward money would be available in January and that the manager would be given backing. It looks like he has been allowed to shuffle the pack a bit and spend a modest amount if anything. If we were ambitious then looking at where we are in the league you might have thought that if we had any money to back the manager with, now would have been a fair time to do it. Apparently we either had little or nothing to invest or chose not to invest it.

So - back on the thread title - I think Warne is doing a very good job. I think the squad has been improved in the Window (although it is three men lighter) and we are on a good run of form. Lots of positives. But I think he doing all that against a background of not actually getting a lot of support from the Board. Where has the Danny Ward money gone? If we needed it to plug holes in the budget or if it all went to Blackstock then so be it, but that isn't what we were told. We were told top five budget and Ward money available in January.

Maybe the assumptions I have made above are wrong, but they look about right to me and in the absence of word from the club there is bound to be speculation. I just wish that the club was more communicative and more transparent. Hillsborough is right - Tony Stewart has been very quiet for a long time now and we hardly ever hear a peep from anyone else at the top.

But well done Warney.








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Danny Ward money will have gone paying the wages. Warney: he's keeping season alive so that's fine by me. Only gripe I've got with him is this moral code he goes by. I wouldn't want players in like Madine & Ched Evans. Like to us in the championship then you've got to go on ability, those type of players you've got except won't be no angels.

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"If everything goes belly up PW carries the can not TS."

Interesting.....PW had 60% of a championship season and played expansive football against better teams and lost LOTS!

He played his best mate WOOD who was atrocious but kept playing him when he was the centre of our defensive frailties.

The point is PW managed to take us down with records being broken SO IT DID GO BELLY UP !

What happened...?

He was sent on a course and a contract extension!



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It went belly up when Stubbs and Jackett left us moribund! Not even Pep would have kept us up!

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We were down before a ball was kicked due to ineffective budget but when the 2nd manager given a 3 year rebuilding project was sacked - and the fitness coach given the job - that guaranteed relegation.

In football terms - 12 / 13 games to restructure a football club with structural defects is a joke.

 

We have to stay in league one because this management and quality of player we have will be crucified in the championship.

 

The point is - we haven't moved forward / improved - we've simply gone down to a league bereft of quality and even then we're being flattered due to the very poor quality of opponents.

 

Leaving the better managers to fulfil their 3 year contracts and we would be better off ( in football terms ). We may have even survived in the championship. We'll never know now but with PW relegation was guaranteed.



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Disagree entirely but respect your opinion.

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