Well done Warney and his depleted squad. A couple of points about today's victory:
- A win of any sorts without Moore and Frecklington is worthy of note.
- David Ball is proving and will continue to prove an excellent signing.
- JCH must have had his last chance. With the team desperate for a big target man up front he fails to deliver - again.
- After a poor first half, Warne's half time talk and his substitutions must have had a positive effect - well done Warne.
- There have been calls for us to win ugly - Warne delivered - credit where credit's due.
- Our inability to come from behind and win has been overcome - credit where credit's due.
- Yates did his chances of a more permanent place no harm - I'm not convinced but would be happy to be proved wrong.
- The defence appeared relatively comfortable. Mattock continues to attract criticism. Hope Purrington is fit for Plymouth.
I personally give little regard to any off-field gossip such as broken promises, top six budgets, G&C, etc, etc because they are all matters of interpretation or subjects that supporters have such little information about that supposition abounds which is pointless. I'd far rather discuss matters on the pitch which is something we who watch RUFC can comment on with some authority.
Today was a great win which has put us within striking distance of the playoffs. However, apart from a few hardy post match posters, the tumbleweed blows through Banter as usual after a victory.
We have to get used to playing without Moore anyway. Frecklington - you can't have a player who plays a couple, misses a couple. etc etc. He never plays enough consecutive games to get match fit and gets one niggly injury after another. Ball is getting sharper and he has to be central to what we try to do moving on. Perhaps not having a big target man will encourage us to play more to his strengths?
I always admire your optimism Glenn. I am happy to give credit where it is due. It was a patchy performance but a win is a win and we finished better than we started thanks in large measure to Warne changing things at half time.
I'm a long way from convinced that this group can deliver consistently good performances and think we need a big reshuffle in January, but well done to all concerned today. Wins breed confidence and it can become a virtuous circle.
Yes, my prediction of a 2-0 defeat was blown out of the water and credit where its due. A good win away from home and after going 1-0 down, Cant ask for more really. Good effort all round. However, one swallow does not make a summer, nor does one win make us champions material, but we have to start somewhere and lets hope we can regain the run we had earlier in the season. January beckons.
I thought we'd get beaten easily as they are ok at home. Sounds like we got a pasting in the first half and King Ronnie pulled no punches about JCH on radio Sheffield. Still don't get why we play Forde as he's been terrible every time I've watched him and he sounded that way yesterday. Still papering over cracks for me and I hope this 1 win in 7 won't prevent any decision about a change of manager - it will though. 442 all the way for me and play Ball alongside a big man just not JCH and sadly not Moore.
No tumbleweed here, win, loose or draw I’ll comment. Don’t like the field dig at those of us who voted with their wallet but that’s fine another’s opinions are just as valid as my own.
To the match, I’m guessing from the comms I saw we attempted to replace Moore with JCH an bombed it down his throat yet 2nd half played more on the deck and scored 2?
If this is the case linked with the early season form what should this be telling the management staff ?
Anyways 3 points, well done, look how we did it and repeat 🍺
credit needs to be given for the bravery to change at half time and for the players actually putting in some effort in the 2nd half. we were awful in the first 45 mins it was worse than last year. 45 mins of playing ok doesn't hide the problems
we have. As for commenting on other issues I am sorry you can pretend all is well or decide to not speculate but this is our club and we care about it. All we ask for is the truth and a consistent message and we are not getting that.
credit needs to be given for the bravery to change at half time and for the players actually putting in some effort in the 2nd half. we were awful in the first 45 mins it was worse than last year. 45 mins of playing ok doesn't hide the problems
we have. As for commenting on other issues I am sorry you can pretend all is well or decide to not speculate but this is our club and we care about it. All we ask for is the truth and a consistent message and we are not getting that.
I think we are been told one thing but the actions speak louder than words !
We get the sales / marketing speeches that must be up beat - but the actions regarding player budgets don't match....but have been consistently below the promised top 5 budget - as I say - actions speak louder than words.
Don't go to away games but never miss a home game. Agree what someone said about Forde, all his time with us I've never seen him beat a man. In this next transfer window would look for a replacement for Potter & build the midfield around him & Vaulks. Vaulks gets criticism on here but he's not a holding midfield player. Get somebody good enough to sit behind him & you'll get the best out of Vaulks. I still don't get playing a keeper who can only punch, send him back to Fulham in January. With the run of games we've got there's a good chance we can keep in touch of the top 6. One question is Moore going back on January 1st. If so need his replacement in straight away.
Vaulks I'm afraid hasn't got a clever enough football brain to be a Frecklington type attacking midfielder. He is honest but can he see a pass or time a run into the box or finish like Frecks in his pomp? Nowhere close. And he doesn't read the game well enough or pass well enough to be a sitting midfielder. In short, I like the lads attitude and he seems like a popular figure around the place but for me he falls short in all footballing departments. Towell is the nearest we have got to the Frecks of old, and assuming (as we must) that Frecks is going to be a bit part player we have to keep Towell beyond January or get someone similar in. Apparently Wiles is in a similar vein and has impressed, so give him a go at some point but you can't expect him to come in and play week in week out until we get the whole side more solid.
Potter is a worry. He looks like he has been playing injured. He has been playing walking football. Whether that is his style or a manifestation of his achilles injury I don't know, but we definitely need more physicality in front of the back four whether that be from a firing Potter or someone else. A nasty ball winning type who can also pass it simple and get things going. Someone to play like Morsy did for Wigan - he was as good a player as I've seen at NYS this season. Not him because we couldn't afford him, but someone in that mould.
The whole back four needs overhauling. It is no good really Warney saying we need a new right back and centre backs etc and getting a free pass. Every single member of our defensive unit (four full backs, four centre backs and two keepers) were his signings and re-signings and they have all fallen short. One win won't paper over those cracks - we just can't defend properly and will lose more than we win unless we get it sorted out.
Up front. give Yates a go now until January. No point playing Moore for one or two games - he might as well go back now. Thanks for his hard work and goals, but we have to plan for life without him. JCH clearly not going to cut it. One up front with Ball playing off him is the answer. I feel for Warne in that Proctor would ideally be that man and I think they would be a potent strike pair, and he is a big miss. Poor old Yatesy got to fill in last season when we had nobody else and were getting walloped every week. League One he might just do OK, but so far he has been a bench warmer. I think I've seen his all round game come on, and he is a finisher. He also seems to have bulked up a bit which is no bad thing. At the very least he will put an honest shift in. Give him four or five starts alongside Ball and lets see what he can do. What choice have we got, and what is there to lose? By all accounts him and Ball linked up well yesterday. Start them both, but for crying out loud don't bang it up to those two in the air all afternoon long.
I haven't always been a fan but I think we miss Taylor. He is the only genuinely quick player we have in the squad. Any two of Taylor, Williams and Newell in the wide areas. A poster on Mad cries out for Bailey-King to be given a go. With all respect to the lad, he has had I think three halves of first team football during which he has looked to be quick but very, very raw and he can't currently get a game with the bottom side in the Conference North. It is pie in the sky to think he might be a solution.
There are too many rank bad teams below us for us to go down, and we aren't going to go up because there are at least six teams a step up from us. Use this season to give Warne a chance to get us sorted out in January and improve in all areas ready for next season, and try and entertain doing it.
-- Edited by smiler on Sunday 10th of December 2017 11:45:42 AM
That's a very fair assessment Smiler. For many reasons, the January transfer window is going to be particularly important and with the possibility of Moore and Towell being recalled, Proctor still being injured, several (including JCH?) due to leave plus the likelihood that Frecks and Potter may be unavailable due to injury, Warne and the recruitment team will need to be very smart to prevent us from being left with the bare bones of a side for the rest of the season.
Assuming that we're not going to be able to achieve a total overall of the squad, my priorities would be a keeper and a central defender - I do think that Iheikwe has good potential and in C ummings and Purrington we own 2 full backs who should be able to impose themselves on League 1 wide men.
Potentially we have a great midfield but confidence and injuries continue to blight them. At this stage of his career, Newell should be the first name on the team sheet but he often fails to meet his potential. Williams is the kind of player that oppositions hate and his ability to do the unusual excuses his odd mistakes. He is going to be key is we are dependent on Ball and Yates up front, in which case the ball is going to have to be played into feet.
I share your reservations about Vaulx and he would always be a bench utility player for me. Forde has never really impressed and for someone who came with such a good record, I find it puzzling that he is unable to beat a player and he seems to lack strength. That leaves us pretty light in midfield and I think a hard, ball winning and mobile midfielder should be high up the recruitment list. If Wiles lives up to potential and Frecks/Potter manage to string a few games together, all the better.
A decent tall striker is a must but they don't come cheap and if they come on loan, there's a reason why they're not playing for their own side. However, I'm still not convinced that Ipswich will take Moore back and with his recent dip in form and his suspension, the timing might be right to snap him up permanently? Similarly, I would make the permanent acquisition of Towell a priority.
I'm sure PW is across all this and I trust that he is well prepared for a busy January. It's going to define the rest of our season but as long as we're sitting within striking distance of the playoffs, it would be good to think that TS will back him fully to give us best chance of an exciting end to the season.
-- Edited by GlennMiller on Sunday 10th of December 2017 04:43:30 PM
No tumbleweed here, win, loose or draw I’ll comment. Don’t like the field dig at those of us who voted with their wallet but that’s fine another’s opinions are just as valid as my own. To the match, I’m guessing from the comms I saw we attempted to replace Moore with JCH an bombed it down his throat yet 2nd half played more on the deck and scored 2? If this is the case linked with the early season form what should this be telling the management staff ? Anyways 3 points, well done, look how we did it and repeat 🍺
No dig made or intended Gaz - as I said in my post, it is my personal opinion that the only information which we RUFC supporters can rely upon is what we see on the pitch. All other info is either second-hand, speculation, interpretation or gossip - much of it wrong and most of it put forward by people who have their own agenda. I therefore tend to stick to what I know/see and leave the rest to those paid to deal with it. Of course this is my personal choice and I have no difficulty with anyone else choosing their own ways of interacting with RUFC.
I agree T71 that we can't build a side around Frecks/Potter. A fit one or other would be an asset to any League 1 side with the right players around them, but as a pair they were overrun by Wigan for example and Frecks in particular cut a very frustrated figure against Wigan (they are the yardstick if we are serious about building a side to compete at the top).
If we had ten Vaulks's I think we would get a wholehearted performance but wouldn't keep the ball very long, would get found out for pace and would lose far more than we would win. I would confidently wager that he will never play another game in his career above League 1 level. But that is just my opinion. I accept he is far from the worst player at the club, respect the effort he puts in, and I really hope for his sake if nothing else that he has a top career. I would be delighted if I one day had to admit I got it wrong and underrated him. It is all about opinions. I respect your view (as long as you don't tell us next that you would pick Bailey-King for the Plymouth game! Only joking).
Well done Warney and his depleted squad. A couple of points about today's victory:
- A win of any sorts without Moore and Frecklington is worthy of note.
- David Ball is proving and will continue to prove an excellent signing.
- JCH must have had his last chance. With the team desperate for a big target man up front he fails to deliver - again.
- After a poor first half, Warne's half time talk and his substitutions must have had a positive effect - well done Warne.
- There have been calls for us to win ugly - Warne delivered - credit where credit's due.
- Our inability to come from behind and win has been overcome - credit where credit's due.
- Yates did his chances of a more permanent place no harm - I'm not convinced but would be happy to be proved wrong.
- The defence appeared relatively comfortable. Mattock continues to attract criticism. Hope Purrington is fit for Plymouth.
I personally give little regard to any off-field gossip such as broken promises, top six budgets, G&C, etc, etc because they are all matters of interpretation or subjects that supporters have such little information about that supposition abounds which is pointless. I'd far rather discuss matters on the pitch which is something we who watch RUFC can comment on with some authority.
Today was a great win which has put us within striking distance of the playoffs. However, apart from a few hardy post match posters, the tumbleweed blows through Banter as usual after a victory.
Onwards and upwards.
morning glen i am big critic of the way the club is run but i go to every league game with my son might miss a few if mrs has a day off
but well done to warne for changing formation when it wasnt working and they way they played second half
A win of any sorts without Moore and Frecklington is worthy of note. yes totally agree we need to plan for the future without both on the pitch maybe frecks needs to take some coaching badges and join the coaching team
- David Ball is proving and will continue to prove an excellent signing. shame he was injured and the formation warne was playing with the benefit of hindsight he wouldn't have fitted into it
- JCH must have had his last chance. With the team desperate for a big target man up front he fails to deliver - again. Time for him to go and is another example of the money that evans wasted on bowery and jch our transfer busting buys on deadline day neither has proved their worth.
so either he knows he is going in Jan or thinks he better than he really is
- After a poor first half, Warne's half time talk and his substitutions must have had a positive effect - well done Warne. yep totally agree this has been mine and others gripe that to date he just went route one football but with moore been out it has forced to change the way we play
- There have been calls for us to win ugly - Warne delivered - credit where credit's due. yep this what has been missing
- Our inability to come from behind and win has been overcome - credit where credit's due. see above
- Yates did his chances of a more permanent place no harm - I'm not convinced but would be happy to be proved wrong. yep im 50 50 on yates ability hope blaying with ball will bring on in leaps and bounds as he is a goal poacher
- The defence appeared relatively comfortable. Mattock continues to attract criticism. Hope Purrington is fit for Plymouth. yep
I also think that moore has been off his game as well the cynic in me thinks as he got one eye on his return to ipswich and want to injury free
I agree T71 that we can't build a side around Frecks/Potter. A fit one or other would be an asset to any League 1 side with the right players around them, but as a pair they were overrun by Wigan for example and Frecks in particular cut a very frustrated figure against Wigan (they are the yardstick if we are serious about building a side to compete at the top).
If we had ten Vaulks's I think we would get a wholehearted performance but wouldn't keep the ball very long, would get found out for pace and would lose far more than we would win. I would confidently wager that he will never play another game in his career above League 1 level. But that is just my opinion. I accept he is far from the worst player at the club, respect the effort he puts in, and I really hope for his sake if nothing else that he has a top career. I would be delighted if I one day had to admit I got it wrong and underrated him. It is all about opinions. I respect your view (as long as you don't tell us next that you would pick Bailey-King for the Plymouth game! Only joking).
Not saying pick Bailey-King but apart from Williams I don't rate any of the other wingers we have. Vaulks like to see him when we get someone who can sit behind him then judge him. Still feel we've got to play 3 in midfield, sacrifice a winger. I don't want to see Potter & Frecks in the same side. January I'd be looking for Potter's replacement.
it is certainly a game of opinions, I don't agree on vaulks he is a good player at this level, he was ill on saturday and still gave 100%, he can pass a ball and his vision for the longer pass is the best at the club, I think a fit vaulks and towel look ok in midfield, with a 100% fit frecks that isn't a bad midfield 3, without frecks we need another player in Jan.
The worry about our defence is the main thing to overcome this season especially as we have been very fortunate to have Moore on form to paper over the cracks and get some points on the board. If we stop scoring - and without Moore who's going to fill that gap - our defence will cost us dearly....the comment about Blackpool being so poor must be considered when statements like our defence looked comfortable are made.
with warne sending dom ball on loan he has restricted himself to a choice of 3 centre defender each with their own issues that have affected our games
so he need to get dom ball back and give mani onarise a game and get another central defender at least the other 3 will have competition and also gives warne a large pool to chose and find a working combination
-- Edited by hillsborough miller on Wednesday 13th of December 2017 02:12:26 PM
