I'm thinking of doing the same HM, but I'm going to wait until pre season... part of me says we should get in a new manager and some new players now... but the team is going to be relegated... so would we be better starting afresh as soon as the transfer window opens pre season?
If then we repeat last years stupid (in my opinion) waiting tactics and total trash signings (in the main), I will make the same decision then..
Also, like you I'm a lifelong Miller and also think we are going to need all the funding we can get to keep our hopes alive and not drop back to the bad old days and financial worries.
What makes me most angry is the apparent lack of common sense... repeating the same issues over and over and not acting on things that we can all see needed sorting.
So, on the one hand I want to protest and show my anger at the waste of the opportunity of the last three seasons, on the other hand i don't want us to go under... it's not easy (but it is very very frustrating) . UTM.
that is what is frustrating me that the longer this farce goes on the more and more it seems tony has been spouting hot air and no substance. and starts to show light on kenny jackett leaving plus halfords parting shot about warne havingne arm tied behind his back
yes he has given us a stadium and saved us from the booths.
if he came out and said no new manager til end of the season i would be happy with that as long as the new guy has the budget to bring us back up and keep us here.
I echo the sentiments. Its the complete lack of common sense and transparency that the club has shown in the last 2 seasons.
Whatever the personal thoughts are towards Steve Evans era one had the feeling we were still building. The team was up and down but each time the team would find something and them management stuck in there. Im not talking about the pros and cons of loans and unevidenced chatter about the cost, but the facts that compared to that the whole environment on and off the pitch is a shadow in terms of motivation and energy.
I am beginning to think I ve been told some very wide of the mark rubbish. The evidence is stacking up.
There is absolutely no way that what we spent this season is anywhere near what we spent in year 1 and that was just good enough to show some progress...Im astounded how TS and the club can put out a message of being competitive when we buy the **** we have and let good players walk out of the door.
Calm down boys, it's been an awful season for sure and its difficult to strike a positive note about anything to do with the Miller's at present. But is this the worst it's ever been? After being a Miller's fan since the mid 1950s I think not. I have no intention of cataloguing the times in my opinion when it has been worse. In the past fans would have had to rely on the local newspapers and the odd snippet on the radio for information. Another source of info would be rumour heard in the pub.
But times have changed , we live in an era of digital information where everybody expects to hear about today's news instantly. And this is where the Club let's itself down badly, there are clubs in the lower divisions who are far better at liasing with the fans and the press than the Miller's are. There is no other business that I have dealings with that provides me with less information than the Miller's does. And before anybody jumps on me and tells me we are not customers but rather fans. Well I am a lifelong fan but when I am forking out as I do each year for 3 Season Tickets for my son, grandson and myself , I regard myself as a valuable customer and so should Rotherham United. Businesses should value their regular customers and not treat them like mushrooms
keeping them in the dark and feeding them with bullshine.
Will I be renewing our Season Tickets for next year? Yes I will, but will I demand that Rotherham United treat their customers as a valuable asset, as should any business. Yes I will even if that means seeking a meeting with Tony Stewart personally to vent my frustrations on the way that this part of his business empire is being run.
Calm down boys, it's been an awful season for sure and its difficult to strike a positive note about anything to do with the Miller's at present. But is this the worst it's ever been? After being a Miller's fan since the mid 1950s I think not. I have no intention of cataloguing the times in my opinion when it has been worse. In the past fans would have had to rely on the local newspapers and the odd snippet on the radio for information. Another source of info would be rumour heard in the pub. But times have changed , we live in an era of digital information where everybody expects to hear about today's news instantly. And this is where the Club let's itself down badly, there are clubs in the lower divisions who are far better at liasing with the fans and the press than the Miller's are. There is no other business that I have dealings with that provides me with less information than the Miller's does. And before anybody jumps on me and tells me we are not customers but rather fans. Well I am a lifelong fan but when I am forking out as I do each year for 3 Season Tickets for my son, grandson and myself , I regard myself as a valuable customer and so should Rotherham United. Businesses should value their regular customers and not treat them like mushrooms keeping them in the dark and feeding them with bullshine. Will I be renewing our Season Tickets for next year? Yes I will, but will I demand that Rotherham United treat their customers as a valuable asset, as should any business. Yes I will even if that means seeking a meeting with Tony Stewart personally to vent my frustrations on the way that this part of his business empire is being run.
****in well said Codger !!!!!! Especially the last paragraph
-- Edited by gazmadmiller on Monday 9th of January 2017 03:24:07 PM
I haven't seen any players leave the club in the last year or so who I personally think were worth keeping in the Championship. The problem is we haven't had the resources (or ambition if you think we should be speculating and having a punt) to get many in who were good enough in the first place.
I understand that the club have to keep some things close to their chests, but people are looking at the fact that successive managers have spoken about (and the track record shows it in practice) having to gamble on getting in either players untried at this level or older players who are either injury plagued, past their prime or not wanted by other teams in our league. That doesn't seem to square with talk of wanting to be 'mid table looking up'. Add to that the apparent dithering and lack of follow up information about the ground extension, the apparent lack of progress with the G&C site and the retail units, apparent lack of progress with the training ground and repeated turnover of managers in quick succession - commitment to long term planning but short term decision making then the fiasco with Jackett which has never been adequately explained - and it is understandable that even the loyalist of supporters are concerned and frustrated.
We are Yorkshire folk. We aren't stupid and we appreciate plain speaking. Tell us how it really is and we will buy into the club and give it our backing. There is a feeling at the moment that things are unravelling, and that needs killing before it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy. For all Tony has done - and I truly believe he has done so much for us that he deserves a medal, the freedom of the town and our eternal thanks - he always says he says it how it is, and we now need some frank speaking from him, an explanation of what the football and business plans of the club are, and some real leadership.
-- Edited by smiler on Monday 9th of January 2017 04:15:51 PM
I did not renew this season due to work commitments and the fact i only used my season ticket 3 times last seasons think we are now seeing the effects of coming up too soon in my honest opinion,The two promotions in two seasons were a fantastic time for us and i enjoyed every minute, what the club has done for two seasons in this league is a minor miracle with the playing budget we have.
This board won't break this club and i for one am grateful for that, Yes they have made a few wrong desisions along the way but i am confident we will put it right,Warnock was offered a deal that would have matched his asking but he decided he wanted another chance at a promotion on his CV, He turned us down so we moved on, Yes the next appoinntment we made in Stubbs was a bad choice but he was a young up and coming manager that had just won the second major trophy in Scotland, It went wrong so we moved on quickly and i don't recall any moaners when Tony Stewart moved swiftly to appoint Kenny Jacket.
The fact that Jacket quit was no fault of the board, They tried to make him change his mind but he chose to leave, The rubbish that was being thrown around regarding going back on funds was utter crap, If he would have left at the end of this month then you could point the finger in that direction.
As for the next appointment if the board can't get a manager they think is the right person for the job then doing what they are doing is the right thing to do, what is the point of appointing a man just for the sake of it,If our fans think people like Gary Rowett would come here when he was touted for the likes of Swansea then they are deluded simple as that, the only people who will take this job at the moment are the likes of Hasslebaink,Danny Wilson e.t.c who are all just trying to get back on the gravy train,We could employ one of those and end up paying them off again in 6 months time.
We would need a miracle to stay up this season another Warnock type but there is none around so the board are most likely thinking to rebuild for next year,i will give you a prediction about a few other teams in the championship like Burton,Give them a few years trying to pay them wages in this league with the fanbase they have and they will go right back to league 2 or even the conferance.
As football fans we need to take the good and bad times in, like the Don Valley years,The booths and Anton Johnson.
I have utter faith that this board will not break the club i love and have supported for 35 years' could be like my two nephews that were born and bred in rotherham and support Liverpool and have never been to a live game to watch their team,But i am proud no matter what becomes i will always support them and if i did not have my own business that takes up my time sometimes 16 hour days and all weekends then i would still renew my season tickets without a thought.
And remember be careful what you wish for every Tony Stewart theres 3 or 4 Carl Oystens!
I think that is a great post Slider and I agree with much of what you say. I just think there have been some mixed messages from the club at times, but above all we have to remember that not long ago we were on the brink of oblivion and as a custodian of our club Tony shouldn't and I am sure wouldn't risk putting us there again.
I can see where the argument that we came up too soon comes from and to some extent has validity, but I would suggest that the rapid rise caught everyone on the hop including Evans (who hitherto had only managed in the lower divisions) and both Evans and the directors had not one idea between them what to do after the party at Wembley died down. Wem-ber-lee, Wem-berlee , Wem-berlee,........and you'll ney-ver walk...ahloooone. Oh sh**!
I'd suggest Evans panicked and made his first mistake by busting up a winning side in the belief we had to get together a squad of players with Championship 'quality'. Seemingly the board agreed and went shopping in the bargain basement. Our existing players so it seemed couldn't get away quick enough, with, on occasion a few choice remarks on social media.
The rest is history as they say. But my point is this, looming relegation was not inevitable. With the mantra of not fixing that which is not broken, ie leaving the squad intact with just perhaps 3 or 4 quality signings, and a calculated investment from the board, and a bit of forward planning, I'm not saying we wouldn't have struggled, but we wouldn't have been in such a mire we're in now, I'm certain of it.
However things as they are, we got away with it in season 1 and two, but the shenanigans during the summer and since, particularly with the resignation of Jackett indicates to me, that unprofessionalism rules the day, and anyone who is anyone in the game seem not to want to be associated with the club. Warnock said often enough we needed help, and having a soft spot for us came to the rescue, but even he knew the tower of Babel was about to fall. Did those in power listen? Evidently not.
Even now, no one seems to know what to do. Poor old 'Warns' has had the poison chalice thrust upon him and seemingly told to get on with it. Meanwhile, 'its all gone quiet over there'. So for me no, relegation was not inevitable it has been and continues to be a lack of..........well everything really.
We speculate of course and thats fair and proper given the nature of football being as much art as science. Running with that theme I suspect we are lacking in both. We have bought many bad players and the players we have had that have been noteworthy often have not had the support to flourish. That is symptomatic of not quite being able to put a balanced side together . We have always been 4 players short of a solid outfit and that simply comes down to money. There was a part of a season when Evens was in charge when I looked at the pitch and saw a solid championship team. Unfortunately ,it comprised 4 loans and for some time we simple recycled quality loans to keep our head above water. so, it seems obvious. On display before our very eyes passed several quality players who would have made us as safe as houses in this league, and I cant believe that those in charge couldn't notice this. But, not one of these quality players were within our price range and so TS perhaps tells SE that that is that. ..and the fall begins.
so, I too have watched the team since my first game that I have memory of in 1974 and I dont really worry about anything when I remember the first connections I felt and just the joy and belonging that comes with it. I guess we forget this at times and especially when there is so much pressure to achieve and be commercially successful. Im sure TS is doing his best but his pockets are only so big. The communication is as nearly always the thing thats hard to reconcile. No different anywhere one looks. communication is the be all and end all of our experience and makes us happy or mad in equal measure. So, I understand the difficulties TS has, but it would be much easier if he realised we dont care what the truth is half as much as we care about what isnt being shared with us.
He's made a rod for his own back I'm afraid. I remember back in 1974 also, Crawford, Finney, Gwyther, Goodfellow et all. We knew who we were, where we were going (nowhere) and our expectation was, well not much really, a pint in the Butchers arms and a game of doms,a good game and perhaps a dive from Phillis if the opportunity presented itself'
Zoom forward to 2017 and our expectations are rather different, and of course its a different game. A spanking new stadium that most of us left from 74 would never in our wildest dreams think we cold ever call home. The best was a hope Millmoor Lane stand would someday get fully covered.
Now we had expectation to go with the new stadium and a Chairman who talked the talk, quality over quantity, theres money to spend on recruitment, expanding the stadium capacity, managers with Championship experience, mid table or thereabouts, maybe even the Prem in 4 to 5 years. Ad infinitum. Blah Blah Blah. Nothing wrong with talking things up a bit, nothing wrong with accentuating the positives. But the nearest we got to any of it was the appointment of Kenny Jackett...oops, and thats it, no substance and money wasted on has beens worn out old crocks and sacked managers.
A big dose of honesty might help. As Millers we've had baloney for 40 odd years, whether its Anton Johnson stunts ,supposed to arrive at Millmoor in a helicopter or a red rose for every female supporter through the turnstiles to being a mid table Championship outfit .....it always ends in tears. Such is the life of a Miller.
Calm down boys, it's been an awful season for sure and its difficult to strike a positive note about anything to do with the Miller's at present. But is this the worst it's ever been? After being a Miller's fan since the mid 1950s I think not. I have no intention of cataloguing the times in my opinion when it has been worse. In the past fans would have had to rely on the local newspapers and the odd snippet on the radio for information. Another source of info would be rumour heard in the pub. But times have changed , we live in an era of digital information where everybody expects to hear about today's news instantly. And this is where the Club let's itself down badly, there are clubs in the lower divisions who are far better at liasing with the fans and the press than the Miller's are. There is no other business that I have dealings with that provides me with less information than the Miller's does. And before anybody jumps on me and tells me we are not customers but rather fans. Well I am a lifelong fan but when I am forking out as I do each year for 3 Season Tickets for my son, grandson and myself , I regard myself as a valuable customer and so should Rotherham United. Businesses should value their regular customers and not treat them like mushrooms keeping them in the dark and feeding them with bullshine. Will I be renewing our Season Tickets for next year? Yes I will, but will I demand that Rotherham United treat their customers as a valuable asset, as should any business. Yes I will even if that means seeking a meeting with Tony Stewart personally to vent my frustrations on the way that this part of his business empire is being run.
well said and i know would you be passionate and eloquent. i know onething my dad would be livid if he was still alive
-- Edited by hillsborough miller on Wednesday 11th of January 2017 06:48:16 AM
