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This is a football club that has gone backwards at an alarming rate. And what a waste of Mr Warnock's incredible rescue mission last term.

How have we got here? Following survival, it was fairly obvious we would need to significantly strengthen to avoid the same struggles as the season past. Warnock had left and said the same, and Stewart had even recognised it and signalled an intent to invest to take the football club to the next level. With Aston Villa and Newcastle coming down, along with local rivals Barnsley and a fantastic away trip for real ale lovers in Burton coming up, the season promised to be one of the more exciting ones in our history. Little did we know that those promises from Stewart were merely a disingenuous sales pitch (or so it seems) to drive season ticket sales.

We can't compete. RUFC fans are fair. We know we can't compete with the big teams in this division (Villa, Newcastle, Derby) . We know we can't compete with the medium teams, or the more established sides (Blackburn, Wigan, Reading). What is hard to stomach is the realisation that we can't compete with teams that have come up, Barnsley being the most recent example, but even worse than that, Burton; a club a fraction of the size of our modest club. In fact, Burton's signings have shown that you can get decent players at this level if you are prepared to invest a small amount. Lloyd Dyer, for example, is a great signing, and one I'd have loved to have seen down at NYS. And I don't buy all this agents being difficult rubbish. Agents have been in football for a long, long time and every other professional club in the league has to deal with them. We are no different.

Only a fool doesn't learn from the first kick of a mule, and next time we try the "smash the transfer record" rubbish, the fans simply won't buy it. I just don't believe anything that comes out of the club anymore. From transfer ambitions to why managers have departed or not signed a new deal to the length of injuries of players. This is human nature having felt lied to so many times previously.

I honestly believe the fans would prefer the truth even if it was disappointing. Have we no budget because we can't fill the retail units? Have previous manager's wasted it by too many comings and goings? What is it? We get four million extra from just being in the Championship this year. The drop in income would cripple us if we're saying we're struggling to cut our cloth now. Frightening. But fans will start to fear the worst if they feel they are being lied to.

Finally onto Stubbs, well the man is highly hugely arrogant or hugely incompetent; maybe both.

Don't make the horrific performances about the fans. If a performance is bad, fans will boo. All over the country. At every football club. So if we turn in six or seven in a row, don't be surprised to hear a few disgruntled voices having throwing away a sheer fluke two goal lead having had 24 per cent possession and 33 shots at your goal... AT HOME.

People are trying to dress this up in so many different ways, but the fact of the matter is, the Gods are on our sides because we should essentially have zero points, maybe one point if we were worth one against Wolves. But frankly, they hammered us second half even when going down to ten. Brentford hammered us. Bristol City hammered us. We barely gt a kick away from home. We're not just getting beat, we're getting demolished, week in, week out. 

Stubbs says we put on a performance on Saturday after the Barnsley match; is he on cloud cuckoo land? We were in fact hammered much more than against Barnsley as we at least matched Barnsley for a period. Anyone who thinks the way we're going will result in anything other than catastrophe is off their tree.

Kelly at left back. Ball in midfield. Loads of slow, insipid, physically wea players with little desire flooding the midfield. And then hardly any options up front due to bad planning.

Speaking of which, why were we ******ing around playing third rate Polish sides in July when we didn't have any professionals on the books? Surely it would've been better to actually make some decent signings rather than be lumbered with the dross we've ended up with. You always worry about Scottish managers/footballers coming down because the gulf in class is astronomical. So we've managed to pay compensation for a second division Scottish manager who has brought some equally dross footballers down with him.

And now he starts making more divisive comments saying the fans should be grateful, not criticise the team and he has big shoulders. I'd personally prefer him to have broad ideas on tactics/formation/strategy or at least setting up a team properly.

Less than eight thousand fans again on Saturday and it's only going in one direction. Newcastle could beat us by a cricket score in a few weeks.

Stubbs seems to be a dangerous mix of Redfearn's tactics and Andy Scott's arrogance. I wouldn't put it past him becoming one of the worst managers we've ever seen as the stuff w're churning out is frankly embarrassing. The return of Newell, Broadfoot and Frecklington (players we had before Stubbs got his mits on the team) could prove to be our only saving grace.



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wow!

ill get mi coat.

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...its reet warm out there...closes door, takes coat off...sits down.

Im currently seeing what you see and boy have you nailed it.

I like the analogy to Warnocks tenure . He brought realism on and off the pitch, so, how did we end up with a manager who has zero experience in England...as you allude , it beggars belief- warnock 's miracle and gift of wisdom to TS does seem wasted at this point in time.

TS, himself is also showing signs of poor decision making.

Andy scott=awful

Ronnie=God and sacked too early because the fans loved him?

Steve Evans=great

Redfern=Awful

Warnock=great

Stubbs=awful



scott, Redfern and Stubbs all equipp themselves as thinking men. No charisma but allude and cultivate a keen analysis of the game that never shows any actual fruits on the pitch

TS, is an inventor, a technician and likes to think of himself as an analyst too.

Warnock and Evans were both big heads, charisma to burn, and had relatively simple no-nonsense approaches to everything.

TS, is a proud Yorkshire man , who know how to hire and fire and does not suffer fools. He will only take so much from anyone (even a successful manager) but will eventually feel he needs to get rid...

His actual decisions and what he subsequently goes on to say about managers has time and again proved to be so wide of the mark that it reveals a real lack of cir***spect behaviour and an over eagerness to be involved in man management. A narcissistic bent that believes his own press and does not learn from his appointments , so desperate is he to be right.

so, good and bad points. I think TS needs to really get someone in as director of football to choose managers, find players and get some more coaches in to work on every aspect of the players and tactics. I t cannot be left up to one man with little knowledge of football (TS) and we need an independent director to guide the recruitment and culture of the club no matter who the manager is.






-- Edited by ian on Monday 12th of September 2016 12:10:20 PM

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Strong views definitely - but ones I also can't help but agree with even with my most pragmatic labelled coat I borrowed from Ian.

There is a theme though. When it's wrong from top to bottom that means relegation. Before it was wrong at the bottom and we managed to change it (just in 1st season, and very very late in the day last season where the better than promotion form got us out of trouble).

I want to know why the top end has gone bad? - everyone is spending their extra revenue it seems, apart from us? Did Warnock not want to go again because he knew of pending financial doom? Did he foresee last season's ever so costly budget busting mistakes spill over into this one affecting our 2016-17 budget?

Whatever it is - it seems rotten this time - one of the 2 usual clubs that implode seems to be us

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Really liked that post TWT.

I don't like to see fans making personal comments about managers or owners... just not interested in hateful sh1t. However, your post feels so spot on and is from the heart & from the head. I go to most games, home /away over the years. Once again I have seen every game so far this season. My opinion is that this is the most boring & inept RUFC team (relatively speaking for the league we occupy etc) I have seen since the new TS era. We usually have at least one trick / top trump that the oppo doesn't have or can't buy with loads o dosh. That tends to be heart, or effort, or even a bit gamesmanshipsavvy or even just stubborn pride in their own image. We have none of those things at moment, ...Ward & Camp & Taylor excepted & the young 'uns cant be faulted really, they're young.

We have even had some terrible surrenders under Evans (0-3 at Reading off the top, and the run of shocking away games around that time / that season), but we always threw in enough antidote performances to show there was something lurking deep inside that we could draw on here and there to bounce back with fight and guts, (over superior skill & intelligence).

We have no guts ! We have no midfield, no good decision makers, no leader, we have nowt up top. We have an excellent keeper thank ****. Goal diff might count. Every away performance this season has been very poor. Don't believe the press about the Brighton last 20 mins. BHFC had their cigars out at that point.

Predicto for Weds............RUFC 0 - 3 NUFFC. At least I'll be halfway drunk. Need to be.



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It's getting depressing.

Come on stubbs , prove us all very wrong.

We really do want to be very, very wrong.

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Great post and spot on.,

especially "Agents have been in football for a long, long time and every other professional club in the league has to deal with them. We are no different."

but we don't seem to learn or deal with it...

I also agree with Ian, we've love to be totally wrong!

The more likely outcome though, is Stubbs gone by Thursday a.m. ? Warnock won't come back so I'd love to see Stuart Gray, he made a very poor Owls team hard to beat and kicked-on from there.. He also showed he knew when to change tactics when it wasn't working - that would do us nicely.



-- Edited by Davidedin on Monday 12th of September 2016 06:58:43 PM

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Id agree Davidedin with Stuart Gray, may not be glamourous but he did a decent job at Wednesday and honestly thought TS would have gone for him after Warnock.

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My preferred choice for what it is now worth was always clough. Not popular at the time but he did a steady job at Sheffield u , and events after he left proved that. Then of course he took over at burton and continued the great form they had and is now doing very well at our expense.

All these ifs and maybe's aside , and taking into account the possibility that we have all contracted a deadly negative brain virus, im now trying to calm down, and be cir***spect ,which may be a fools errand. 

Choice of manager put to one side a moment is there any redeeming features in what has happened since stubbs came that outshines anything the club has done since TS was crowned king? Is there anything that suggests there is potential we haven't spotted due to the short time frame involved?  Or, maybe we are all correct (smiler aside , 😉) and our collective knowledge of things gone by before is fully informative of how things will work out this time.

 In summary;

If there any evidence anyone can think of that suggests this will be a team that gets better and stays up? 

 



-- Edited by ian on Monday 12th of September 2016 08:31:50 PM

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Some great points made. I don't thinks there's overly that much that we can be proved wrong on apart from what look to some bad signings which could come good played right, it's more he learns from his amateurish errors fast and makes big changes.

Id have Gray, I wanted him before we got Redfearn. I actually think Clough is more suited to this level with his style of play.

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I actually think we've got some decent players with potential in but can't see how they'll improve the way Stubbs is playing though. But the players that have gone out on loan I feel have more potential or are better. Vaulks looks awful, Thorpe looks to have way more potential even though he looks a little scared obviously because of his injuries, but could be managed out of him. Smallwood far better than some of our midfield put tackles in. Thought Allan has looked both good and awful, but the little I've seen of Dawson he looks to have more potential to me and he's our player, could easily be wrong on that because we've not seen enough of him because he's not been given a chance, but he was thought to be onto bigger and better things before his injury. Just a couple of examples on what are similar types of players.

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Somethings we can't undo ! I doubt whether we have any recall on Dawson and Smallwood so we have to live with these poor decisions.

Things we can dictate are that Caskey , Vaulks and Forde get nowhere near the match day squads ! Three absolute passengers in my opinion ! When Forde came on at half time I as sceptical because of his past no shows but I thought a full 45 minutes might give him a fair crack ! So what happened absolutely nothing, a total no show, he was a spectator stood on the pitch, A Ford parked up with its hand brake on, we can't win any matches without 100% togetherness never mind three passengers !

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The travesty is that we have Yates on the bench, young and chomping at the bit and getting no chance whatsoever.

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I personally rate Forde. He didn't make the impact on Saturday one would have hoped, but we were playing that deep that it could have been any player coming on. from what iv seen of Forde he gives us a wide option.

Id sent Forster-Caskey back - he along with Allan have been the biggest let downs.

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Im yo-you with Allan too. He has good vision but if he is to occupy the middle of the park and run deep for it then he needs a little more zip and strength.

I kinda like Forde too. He seems to have some ability although his left foot is weak. A good winger if only played in the right position I think.

 

Agree about F-C and Vaulks is starting to disappoint.

dont get me going on smallwood again...travesty.

 

I do like the defensive options up to a point. I thought Fry looked very promising indeed.

 

Heres hoping the midfield can get stronger and more mobile over the next few games.

 

Maybe Blackstock and Tom A, will bring it all much closer together...



-- Edited by ian on Tuesday 13th of September 2016 01:33:53 PM

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