I've twigged it - 3rd is AS's agent, or maybe washes his windows every week, either way he has some financial association.

In sales, you have to upsell to sell a bad product, in sales when the product is good, it more or less sells itself - need I go on?

Ahh, let's make Danny the scapegoat - well done.

S8.....that's laughable considering you are on Stubbs back after only 6 games. To remind those who deal with facts, we are better off points wise than last season.

If Danny Ward wants to impress me he can start running in the 1st minute until the 90th and not when he thinks our fans are getting angry. He can also start putting away the chances like the sitter he missed yesterday.

Stick with Stubbs

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ward seems to me to give lots and certainly this season he has been up there with anyone in terms of commitment . Anyone could have missed that chance. He did really well to make it and the keeper did exactly the thing he is paid to do. It was just what it was and perhaps 7/10 times he would score.

Every time derbysihires name comes up Im going to have to agree it was a huge mistake to get rid. In the same way,when you look at ballsor vaulks contribution or forde its a huge mistake to get rid of smallwood. Who would make such obviously bad decisions?

Yates deserves his chance based on what I have seen as so many others do.

However, its stubbs tactics and not the quality of the player thats the big problem.

Its stubbs outlook and belief that needs a radical shake up

The_Third_ Burglar wrote:

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S8.....that's laughable considering you are on Stubbs back after only 6 games. To remind those who deal with facts, we are better off points wise than last season.

If Danny Ward wants to impress me he can start running in the 1st minute until the 90th and not when he thinks our fans are getting angry. He can also start putting away the chances like the sitter he missed yesterday.

Stick with Stubbs

-- Edited by The_Third_ Burglar on Sunday 11th of September 2016 11:18:34 AM

 

Sorry, have to disagree.  The manager is fair game.  He picks the team, he decides on the tactics, he decides on the system and he manages the game during the 90 minutes of play.  For that he is open to criticism from supporters who go to watch the product of his endeavours, it goes with the job description.  

I stopped and watched a yout game in the park today and listened to the managers half time team talk. It got me reflecting.

There is immense pressure in managing a group of individuals. Add to that the nature of sport, where everything is very dynamic and small margins break and make results.

In this respect, managers are to be respected. However, no one would choose to be a person of responsibility without being prepared for criticism. It is indeed fully conversant and congruent with the role.

Here are some criticisms

He said that Saturday was a positive response after Barnsley-sitting back for 80 mins therefore is positive and being 2nd best all over the park in every department and a game we deserved to lose.

Stubbs, is excellent at describing what has happened , but, he doesnt really have a method of communicating a solution

Stubss, has hinted that he is motivated by criticism by his recent responses:

of criticism ;

"have you seen the size of these shoulders"!
" you will never hear me criticise players"
" its up to them" (fans that boo)

i cant help people that look past facts and I cant bring players in we cant afford. (paraphrased)

"im not a quitter"
" it (the criticism) makes me want to succeed more"

He's obviously not clueless, he's a seasoned ex-pro and has done (I presume) up to UEFA A badge and possibly the Pro License. Anybody who achieves that award is not clueless about coaching.

But its what you do with it, we saw it with Evans, when he was openly stating he was studying towards X badge, I couldn't believe what we were seeing on the pitch was the exact opposite to the things he would have been learning to coach his players. He was blatantly arrogant enough in his philosophy to see that was better than the millions pumped into the Coaching Pathway. To ignore the 100's of years combined experience on those who will have provided feedback for it, not to forget the expertise used to supplement it like Sports Science people, lecturers and whatever else, in all sorts of disciplines.

Now I haven't seen Stubbs team enough to fathom, likewise do we all not see what goes on on the training ground. But what I saw at Barnsley, my U11s would have had better attacking movement and that is no lie.

He's either over complicating it with an Andy Scott based belief system, in which case we're screwed or he's over relying on his learning in which case we're screwed as last time I checked it wasn't called the Championship Pro License!

As we saw from Warnock, it takes a type of person to get the best of a dressing room. Has AS got a history of doing that?, it remains to be seen whether he can with this, but I will say an early observation suggests not. We are all under no illusions about what we're up against and as supporters I think we're a realistic bunch for the most part. All we want to see is our team go out there and make it worth the pounds, time and journey we've endured to support them. Losing 3-1 but saying hey we gave it a right got is not the same as losing 3-1 and having our bellies tickled. So far it appears we have been lucky especially at home, eventually that will run out especially in the next 6 weeks once players have had competitive match time and are tuned to the max. If we don't get up to speed and fast we are in for some right hidings, and that no set of supporters will accept, will vote with their feet and force the Chairman's hand. Nobody wants that - of course they don't. We all want to say, Yeah we saw what Stubbsy was trying to do, it was effective but we just didn't get the result. We don't want to be saying we were at home, had 24% possession and the other team having 30+ shots at goal while we run around without a clue how to address it. We certainly then don't want to hear about budgets, league is stronger and other kinds of rhetoric - and I'm sure TS doesn't want to hear that either. He's not doing himself any favours at the minute. A good manager will sit himself down and put things in place that gives better results, even if that means blowing the philosophy wide open. A bad manager will baton down the hatches and insist their way is THE way until they find they're out of work. I hope it doesn't end in the latter - because we SERIOUSLY don't need that after the debacle of last season and the lessons we SHOULD HAVE learned.

I concur with everything Exetermiller has posted with great eloquence. Unfortunately Tony keeps making the same mistakes when it comes to managers & while I admire the clubs stance on refusing to break the bank re wages-transfers etc, Tony should really stop harping on about completely unrealistic "premier league ambition", which is TBH embarrassing.
The job is too big for Stubbs unfortunately, & I feel bad for saying this after only six league games & one embarrassing cup exit but after witnessing six of the seven games, the writing is on the wall. Stubbs seems to be a rabbit caught in headlights, clueless, hyper defensive, over cautious with no plan B, Scott & Redfearn were bad, but AS is far worse & for those fans who think otherwise, the only reason were not on ZERO points is because Wolves, Brentford & Brizzle can't finish....Newcastle will get ten.

fair point...

I was thinking about Johnston and comparing his journay to stubbs myself this morning.

The difference I could point to is that he has managed in England and followed his dads managerial career in England at the same levels.

My contention is based not just on what is happening but from the very beginning I looked at stubbs record, his game plans and the hibs fans forum. None of this was in the least inspiring albeit there was some praise for spotting players and of course the cup win. However, the pedigree does not compare to Lee Johnstons experience I feel.