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Beggars Belief... WTF!!

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"While season tickets sales have risen above 6,500, they are still a couple of thousand below the figure needed to justify taking the capacity up to 16,000.

The plans are already in place for the first phase of work, enlarging the kop and away end, and nothing would please the Millers' owner more than to have to put them into action."

WTF... if you want more fans buy some ****ing players who can keep us in this league Mr S, either that or keep quiet and give us some respect man....

We are Sooooooo tired of words....

Yes we are in the championship, yes we have a great stadium, yes we know we nearly went bust, again, and that you saved us, but please ... put up or shut up... sorry, I'm just fed up of it.

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I thought long and hard about the non-transfer saga thus far..

Initially I was annoyed and disappointed. Then I realised that much of it was actually my own anxieties about the forthcoming season and the desire to get new blood in to make sure we weren't in another dog fight. Then I thought some more..

We have the money. I honestly don't think the bids we made were fabricated. I believe that AS thought long and hard about how far to go and if he'd of thought they were worth it, he would have been able to increase the offer.

We are taking a calculated risk by not buying players "willy nilly SE scatter gun approach" and this only serves to increase fans' anxieties and frustrations, inevitably leading to the emotional responses we have seen littered on social media and on this site.

NW proved with a nucleus of players who wanted to play for the team, managed in the right way, could get results. Quality not quantity. It's a cliché but NW taught us that.

I think we lost sight of these points when it became clear we were prepared to spend money on "unproven" championship talent (me included) 

There is definitely more to come, we won't be bullied and won't be rushed into signing for the sake of it. I actually like this moral principle. Let's just see what happens, not just over the next few weeks but also right up until the window closes. Gregory and Bradshaw aren't the only strikers out there...

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One wrong move from us and we have a £20m debt around our neck. The facts are straight, 300,000 people in Rotherham - we need a meagre 2.5-3% to turn up to force TS's hand. If I were in charge & couldn't even reach those figures I'd say sod the risk as well.

People need to actually stop and think of the endless fine balancing act going on all the time as a football business, all as a backdrop to a selling product which nobody can foresee what it can achieve, look at Leicester v Chelsea.

When TS mentions that we can't get the player we want for £1.4m then so be it. Let me repeat that, Rotherham offering £1.4m - can even the older fans even equate that to a transfer fee we've paid in the past as in my 30yrs its mind blowing.

I would like to think that RUFC are doing everything they can in the community, because if there is anything that is pivotal to our steady growth its that. Wednesday will always have the lion share, but just look at how unfashionable the Blades & Barnsley are now comparitive to 10yrs ago. Donny had a shot and fluffed it, we have a real chance to make ourselves the 2nd top club of our area, but we aren't going to get there by spending and loaning money we don't have to a customer base that largely doesn't care at this juncture.

Let TS do his thing, as far as Chairmen go, he is one of the best in the country and we should never forget that we are only of a few if not the only club who year on year sing the Chairman's name from the stands

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I would respectfully disagree. In any business you speculate to ac***ulate. We have to have a squad and a level of success that turns our kids into Millers rather than Owls and bumping along at the bottom of the championship doesn't inspire. I appreciate that it is a huge feat the be in this division for a club our size but no one will be enticed into attending or buying a half year season ticket at xmas if we are bottom. I've renewed my three already so I don't need enticing... but others will and doing well on the pitch is the No1 way to increase footfall.

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Relax people...We have a nucleus, add 5-6 quality proven signings and 4-5 quality Prem loan players (like G Ward) we,ll be fine. Do you really want to risk £2mil on 2 unproven strikers? ( i think the valuations were the wrong way round btw. Bradshaw looks a better investment that Gregory imo) Also lets not get blinkered by needing UK players. Plenty of outstanding talent overseas..Take a look around Europes top leagues, Be nice for us to introduce some of it to the Championship!

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The club sold 6,400 season ticket's. I would imagine the 1925 club, what some people call the " prawn sarni " bunch will be added on to that figure. The 6,400 season ticket sales are nowhere near the figure required to sustain a ' kitty ' to buy player's at £2M. As I understand it Alan Stubbs had the final say on whether to increase the bids. Tony Stewart was prepared to bid higher. Well done to the club for walking away when we reached our valuations of the player's. Let's see what the final squad is in three week's time, let's see which player's are brought in on loan and yes I know the loan system has changed dramatically this season so we will have to make very careful choices on who we bring in. 

Don't condemn the club too early, chill out, relax and stop being so anxious.



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NewYorkshire wrote:

In any business you speculate to acc.umulate. 

 

Unfortunately the maxim you quote is a misnomer.  In reality businesses take calculated risks, i.e. they invest in things that have a higher probability of a decent return.  In that regard I think TS is a very safe pair of hands.



-- Edited by S8Miller on Saturday 16th of July 2016 07:50:59 AM

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I agree, speculate to ac.***ulate based on calculating the returns. If you want a product to attract 25% more buyers, as in ST, you have to make it more attractive. Wednesday did last year when they invested 15-20m and their fan base grew considerably (unfortunately). I see a direct correlation between success on the pitch and off, a club that gets relegated can only hemorrhage support. If our objective (as repeated often by TS) is the premiership then we have to obtain a team to get there, otherwise our stated aims don't align with our real world actions. UTM.

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I dont think people are too upset about being sensible with valuations and walking away from potential signing if they keep upping the ante.

I would suggest its all the talk, these are our targets we've offered (in RUFC terms) big money. Everyone gets excited because we've now realised that we have to spend to compete....and then.......it all ends with the usual disappointment.

What makes it even worse is the statements that follow, Oh well they weren't worth it anyway, so why go for them in the first place. If they weren't worth the money then they ought to have been on the B or C list and not spouted as top signings.

And of course, out rolls the annual stadium extension story. Actions speak louder than words and supporters are getting frustrated and worried after hearing we cant field a side against Grimsby in a pre season friendly. I find the anxiety amongst many perfectly natural given the cir'k'umstance

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Good debate, I'm with KPMG and Ian, I think our approach is right with the exception of our PR.

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Nellinio wrote:

Relax people...We have a nucleus, add 5-6 quality proven signings and 4-5 quality Prem loan players (like G Ward) we,ll be fine. Do you really want to risk £2mil on 2 unproven strikers? ( i think the valuations were the wrong way round btw. Bradshaw looks a better investment that Gregory imo) Also lets not get blinkered by needing UK players. Plenty of outstanding talent overseas..Take a look around Europes top leagues, Be nice for us to introduce some of it to the Championship!

 

You talk of 5-6 quality signings,the trouble is that these will cost big money. 

Its money we haven't got and I fear we will be signing players looking for a last pay day + we won't be able to sell them on so we can't make a profit on them. Ditto with loan players,they aren't our players so we can't make anything on them either. 

Agree about Bradshaw though. Personally I think he was worth the risk,if he comes good bigger clubs come sniffing and a healthy profit can be made. If he doesn't and we go down we have a cracking League 1 striker. 


 



-- Edited by Crookadile on Saturday 16th of July 2016 11:22:02 AM

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I'm not a big believer in "but what if's" per sè as they can be very psychologically damaging for morale.

I do wonder about the public strategy of naming potential transfer targets. Would we have got them if we'd declared our interest later? Would he still have handed in a transfer request? More for my own sanity, I reckon it would have all happened in a similar order and we would have still had to best Barnsley's bid, Wallsall's, Bradshaws and his agents demands; and would have still, in all probability, pulled out.

Does AS have his own designs and strategy on other targets he wants and is keeping shtum? It's no secret that Bradshaw has been a club target since befire AS's tenture.. this recent decision has taught us that "ah Alan" is a shrewd businessman.

Who in the club keeps letting slip? What ever other targets and interests we have now, let's see what happens when Alan is running it from the start. The only way to see if it would be different, through a "fair test" so to speak, would be to do exactly that. Try discretion and a subtle approach and see if we have a better outcome.

It appears we AS has money to spend....

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In a world of misery and uncertainty, put some perspective into this debate, we will be playing at a good level for RUFC, calm down and enjoy the ride

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Towdlad wrote:

I dont think people are too upset about being sensible with valuations and walking away from potential signing if they keep upping the ante.

I would suggest its all the talk, these are our targets we've offered (in RUFC terms) big money. Everyone gets excited because we've now realised that we have to spend to compete....and then.......it all ends with the usual disappointment.

What makes it even worse is the statements that follow, Oh well they weren't worth it anyway, so why go for them in the first place. If they weren't worth the money then they ought to have been on the B or C list and not spouted as top signings.

And of course, out rolls the annual stadium extension story. Actions speak louder than words and supporters are getting frustrated and worried after hearing we cant field a side against Grimsby in a pre season friendly. I find the anxiety amongst many perfectly natural given the cir'k'umstance


 

Agreed, This was the main point in my post Towdlad - I totally respect TS for what he has done, and will support the Millers wherever we play - it is simply the words ring hollow and I'd rather the club just keep quiet - announce players once we have signed them, and keep a lid on the 'expansion' and 'premiership' talk until we start to see the team on the pitch do the talking.... 

 

I also think that if I were the current person in charge of player signings, I would have been sacked long before now (certainly if I were charge of this person I would sack them in a minute) ... whatever system is being used to attract players it isn't working, and we are not learning from past mistakes - all we ever seem to do when going for the more expensive players is set the minimum entry point for someone else to come in and offer a bit more... as I say - put up or shut up please....

 

As someone else has said – there are worse things in the world and despite my comments I’ll be there in August and shout on the team, I just wish we would sort out this area of the club’s business and get someone in who knows how to properly source and sign players, as has an ounce of business sense when it comes to managing communication and contracts.

 



-- Edited by Davidedin on Saturday 16th of July 2016 01:19:28 PM

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I agree with what someone else said earlier, its the PR thats wrong, which I take to mean the PR aimed at the fans.

Many are saying that being the club we are, we cannot compete, we dont have the dosh and so we have to be prudent. I dont think anyone would disagree with any of that. Its just like your household budget, spend more than you earn and pretty soon you're gonna be in the brown stuff. Just dont brag about we're gonna do this and we're gonna do that, and then do very little at all. Its embarrassing and pointless, most of us are realists, we know the situation, we're Millers for goodness sake and know our place in the football pecking order.

I'm all for blooding the young uns, but we do need a bit of a blend of skill and experience, and motivation. and that obviously comes at a price.

All we can do is wait and see what next week brings, who knows we might be pleasantly surprised.

Just no more big talk eh?

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Just some points I agree with.

The money staked is incredible for us and good to see.

I'm pleased however we seem to know our sensible limits and pull out when the valuation goes too high.

The point about NW and his legacy should not be lost on us fans at the start of this new season. We produced one of the best runs in our history with team spirit and good tactics.

We are going in the right direction as demonstrated by the transfer budget and increase in season tickets sold.

TS is a fantastic chairman without any doubt whatsoever.








-- Edited by ian on Saturday 16th of July 2016 05:27:48 PM

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