Carney hinting interest rates likely to be cut, Tory chancellor announces austerity targets to be tempered, UK markets fly. One can only assume that the people of Greece are looking on in bemusement as the British economy flies in the face of what the experts told us would happen. Sometimes you have the smack the birdcage really hard for real political change to happen.
The true heart of true labour and democracy. The fact is that when globalisation started apace in the 70s there was a thoughtful destruction of the working class by the conservatives in the developed world that has spread almost everywhere now. Take away 100 years of fighting for social justice by simply removing their jobs. The socialist movement betrayed itself and its people. Then to gain power the new socialists sprung up everywhere but they were a shadow of the true instinct of most of the true working class. Indeed, a bigger middle class was created that no one dare speak about in negative trrms. They bought the material dream. They bought the cars and houses and TV.s that globalisation gave them and they forgot about the things that mattered as they once more became slaves to the ideology imposed by stealth upon them. O f course, the real losers were the hundreds of thousands of families that had been culled to make this possible. The ripping apart of whole communities and the 40 plus years of decline in the North Of England and Scotland and some areas elsewhere. The unions started selling insurance and the people lost their identity. Later, a reemergence of the spirit of these people was put down as nationalism, and bigotry, while the hard left also rose like a phoenix again and battle commenced once more. Meanwhile , on the other-side of the fence the right were now in trouble. The bubble had burst and people were sick of consuming to some extent. The gap between rich and poor remained and grew larger. Next foreign investment poured into the nation and people became even more disenfranchised-another genocide...but once again, the ruling class, the nouveau riche and the multinationals tore away the ground from any legitimate defiance by labelling people stupid, enemies of democracy. racist and now OLD. Then came Brexit and for the first time in 60 years the working class found a voice. They hadnt disappeared and they hadnt lost their beliefs. But, they were discounted by the arrogance of the system created to keep them invisible. Now Corbyn fights a popular uprising for true socialism and May arrives talking about compassionate conservatism. Will they open the mines, and steel lworks. will they allow the skilled and semi skilled to once again fill the education systems of our nation. No. But, the contraction I believe has well and truly started again. The polarity is emerging everywhere. Its like a new fashion. At first one or two people get a vibe and one or two start experimenting and with mystery others catch the feeling and suddenly everyone is identified under one banner. The old ideas of political correctness and control of the masses is being noticed now. People are getting bolder again. You cant replace instinct and heritage with greed for long. May the real socialism renew itself. May the compassionate conservatism embrace values of equality and true education and togetherness. May nationhood once more be seen as a source of good. W have ideas worth sharing and those ideas are built on our cultural and social history. We arent Europeans-who on earth can evidence that. We are a tribe of celts and saxons and normans and vikings and Romans and Asians and Africans with one common goal and that is the British way of life. Its identifiable if you live here. Dont let em tell you its nonsense. Take it back with pride and tell the neo cons and the nasty new liberals to go **** themselves. we are hard and tolerant. we dont mind a ******* good laugh and we know when something is right and wrong. We dont need fear bred legislation. we wont equal pay and rights at work. We want respect and we want to laugh. Go **** yourself for taking our peace away. want it back and Brexit it the first volley in a fight that will continue for decades to come.
"May the real socialism renew itself. May the compassionate conservatism embrace values of equality and true education and togetherness. May nationhood once more be seen as a source of good. W have ideas worth sharing and those ideas are built on our cultural and social history. We arent Europeans-who on earth can evidence that. We are a tribe of celts and saxons and normans and vikings and Romans and Asians and Africans with one common goal and that is the British way of life. Its identifiable if you live here. Dont let em tell you its nonsense. Take it back with pride and tell the neo cons and the nasty new liberals to go **** themselves. we are hard and tolerant. we dont mind a ******* good laugh and we know when something is right and wrong. We dont need fear bred legislation. we wont equal pay and rights at work. We want respect and we want to laugh. Go **** yourself for taking our peace away. want it back and Brexit it the first volley in a fight that will continue for decades to come. "
Are we doomed of course not, will we be effected over the next couple of years no nothing will change, it's years 4-5 onwards where it will change. Business that can not function outside the EU will have had to move on, unemployment will have risen slightly, prices will slightly rise ( we can't buy enough quantities to get the Euro discount). Then the moaning will start. I'm firmly in kempos camp, people are under the impression that leaving the eu will change inward migration well it won't. I'm afraid like it or not we have shot our selves inthe foot. I know you won't agree but study the figures and it is evident the wrong choice has been made, but there lies the problem most never looked at the figures and voted on a gut reaction not with the head.
Fliker, I'm sure that you looked at the evidence in front of you and you weighed up the likely pro's and cons and came to a decision that you felt was right for you - I respect that and that is your right. It is therefore a pity that you can't offer the same respect those that came to the opposite conclusion. "most never looked at the figures and voted on a gut reaction not with the head" can you not see how disingenuous that sounds?
Maybe people came to their conclusions based on a sanguine view of the facts in front of them. Knowing full well that immediate future prospects for the economy could be challenging but longer term they were optimistic that their decision was in the best interests of the UK.
What is patently obvious is that nobody knows what will happen, the events of the past few days should bear that out and while things can change in a heartbeat there are a few 'expert' economist with large dollops of egg to wipe from their chops.
-- Edited by S8Miller on Friday 1st of July 2016 07:20:07 PM
But neither can you say that there will be rays of sunshine, wealth, opportunity, social cohesion, unbridled happiness, prosperity and more importantly more democracy if we stay in. The truth is, its an unknown. Except we perhaps know a little bit more about the EU and its intentions such its onward drive to a federal state. We know about the wilful waste of money and corruption. We know about the plans to eventually do away with our right to Habeas Corpus, and the assumption of innocence until proved guilty and doing away with trial by jury ...etc etc ad infinitum. The list is almost endless. We originally joined up to a trading partnership not the neoliberal unelected governing body we have now.
Not for me thanks. I cherish my freedoms won over almost a thousand years, freedoms not to be written off by a sharp suited unelected and unaccountable EU bureaucrat in Brussels.
But neither can you say that there will be rays of sunshine, wealth, opportunity, social cohesion, unbridled happiness, prosperity and more importantly more democracy if we stay in. The truth is, its an unknown. Except we perhaps know a little bit more about the EU and its intentions such its onward drive to a federal state. We know about the wilful waste of money and corruption. We know about the plans to eventually do away with our right to Habeas Corpus, and the assumption of innocence until proved guilty and doing away with trial by jury ...etc etc ad infinitum. The list is almost endless. We originally joined up to a trading partnership not the neoliberal unelected governing body we have now.
Not for me thanks. I cherish my freedoms won over almost a thousand years, freedoms not to be written off by a sharp suited unelected and unaccountable EU bureaucrat in Brussels.
If this had been on MM we would have been calling each other all sorts of terrible things and no doubt some would have been inviting me to my local for a bout of fisticuffs. in fact one person once did, I must admit if he had come all the way over here to my local I would have felt honour bound to meet up as it would have showed some determination and commitment. This is going out be a very trying time for Britain and although I ma very much in the Flicker and Kempo camp it is nice to debate in a civilised manner.
If this had been on MM we would have been calling each other all sorts of terrible things and no doubt some would have been inviting me to my local for a bout of fisticuffs. in fact one person once did, I must admit if he had come all the way over here to my local I would have felt honour bound to meet up as it would have showed some determination and commitment. This is going out be a very trying time for Britain and although I ma very much in the Flicker and Kempo camp it is nice to debate in a civilised manner.
Yes it is only my opinion and I hope I've got it wrong. But the decision has been made and good or bad we have to live with it and make the best of it. I actually looked at it as a kin to changing your wife for a woman you have vaguely heard about but never met. Who knows what she will turn out to be like?
As a one time steelworker, made redundant because we could buy it cheaper from Italy, why should I care if a few bankers might become surplus to requirements. It's funny how all the things that the working class do are always sacrificed for progress and capitalism, but once we hit the financial sector it's a travesty. Have they ever visited a pit village that loses its pit? We should also ask what do these people actually create??? They gamble rich people's money on a betting area called the stock market which can somehow keep delivering profit from nothing ad infinitum. Then greed and corruption makes it go pop and they need to poor to bail them out. Bring on the chaos.
Once again I can't disagree NY, if the majority of the leave campaign voted for these reasons I may have had a different opinion. However Fromage and BOjo et al were not coming from this perspective and do not give a flying F for the working man. I fear things will be harder not better for those struggling.
