I think this referendum has clearly illustrated that the ruling classes have taken the electorate for granted. They have not listened to the fears of ordinary people , because the issues effecting ordinary people do not affect the wealthy. You only have to look at the areas where the vote was to remain. Largely in London which is almost a foreign city now anyway, Cotswolds and areas where immigration has had little impact.

I live in South Lincolshire where Boston is renamed Bostonia and Wisbech, Wisbechistan, and to look at the map of how we voted its plain to see that these were the areas where vast numbers of Eastern Europeans have come to and I can tell you that the town centres of these places have become almost no go areas because of the large numbers of immigrants, mainly young , male and more often than not drunk. In many cases the scare stories, poo pooed by the middle class press and media, are in my experience largely true. People have had enough and are sick of feeling alienated in their own communities, it really is that bad. When people complain they were accused of being racist little Englanders

I'm not being racist when I say these things, I'm telling it as it is. I have no axe to grind with immigrants as such, I am the son of a Polish immigrant who came here with the army after the last war in 1947, I still have relatives in Poland,the problem is the numbers. The population is rising by 500,000 a year, thats a town twice the size of Rotherham each year. And over the last 10 years the population has grown by about 4.7million, mainly through immigration and it cant be stopped, because they are allowed in. You cant fit a quart into a pint pot. Its areas like where I live that has suffered most and its these areas which voted in overwhelming number to leave. Their only chance to say enough is enough.

And now the papers and television are full of horror stories and somehow trying to blame the 'out vote' on ignorance and stupidity. There was an 'out vote' from frustration, desperation, and a revolt against a system that does not listen and pays no attention to those at the bottom of heap already suffering austerity. The out vote was caused by the snobbish, well heeled, bourgeoisie, peering down from their ivory towers, unaffected by the social problems afflicted on others. The referendum was an attempt to shut the dissenters up once and for all, it back fired.

I had first hand experience of living next door to a house let to eastern europeans. It started out ok, they were Poles and knowing a little Polish I was able to communicate. I made friends with them, a married couple with a little girl and a couple of young lasses. They were fine good neighbours, and we helped them out with curtains and bits of furniture as well some of our daughters old toys. After about a month they disappeared to be replaced by Latvians and Lithuanians then the trouble started every few days different people would come in others would go.

We would be kept awake at night with noise of people coming and going all the while, hot bedding it was called, and every night drinking parties outside underneath our bedroom window. Cutting a long story short, being very rural we are not connected to the sewage system but still use cess pits. The pits couldnt cope with the amount of people living in a 3 bedroomed semi (we counted 14 people) and my back garden became water logged with raw sewage and we were over run with rats. One of the other neighbours called the council and the place was shut down as unfit for human habitation.The landlord told not to let the place again until he has spent money rectifying the squalid conditions. We took the opportunity to sell our house and we were forced to move out. It was a two year nightmare of noise, boozing, stench, fag ends and filth,that I was unable to do anything about except complain. We'd previously had good neighbours.

talking of lighting fires on the kitchen floor, I'm in the firefighter and been called to incidents involving Latvians and a trick they use is to take a lead from the phone socket and run it through oil held in a large tin, the small current heats the oil and the whole serves as a crude and dangerous radiator....free heat. and of course there was the incident I attended after 5 of them blew themselves up while distilling vodka and mixing it with industrial alcohol, I wont even mention the RTC's involving them in drink driving incidents.

Happy days for greedy landlords, and unscrupulous employers, misery for everyone else.

All real life examples that are but the tip of real life misery experienced by many.


I have been carjacked by 2 Roma women
I have been the victim of a crash for cash with a car load of refugees
I have been scammed by a Roma family on the motorway (failed attempt)
I have been threatened with death by Muslims because I didnt agree when they were abusing a drunk white man
I have been attacked in St Petersburgh by a gang of 20+ Romas and then chased for half a mile until I got to a mall.

Anyone can see that it does not make for a peacful coexistence.

what we need is controlled immigration
we should not be accepting exported criminals and immoral human beings

Probably refused to buy heather.

Fed up of all the media and politicians blabbing on about it being a bad thing. It is the will of the people so shut the hell up and get on with your jobs.

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Fed up of all the media and politicians blabbing on about it being a bad thing. It is the will of the people so shut the hell up and get on with your jobs.

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 That's bang on.

 

As far as I know we are still a democracy and not a twitter puppet state.

 

The people have spoken, the Government and also the opposition need to respect this and get on with it.

 

The Remainers need to stop bleating.

With age comes wisdom.

The older end are less likely to be swayed by piffle posted on websites.

The young by definition are naive and lacking the experience of spotting the lies and inconsistencies spread by politicians and spin doctors.

Bizarrely to some I voted leave because of the young not to spite them or sell them out. The U.K. was clearly following a path to ruin and it needed a change of ideas and course. Short term it will cost me money but long term we will do fine and as the young get older they will look back at the vote and think "thank God the oldies knew what they were doing"

Millmoormagic wrote:

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ian wrote:

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All real life examples that are but the tip of real life misery experienced by many.


I have been carjacked by 2 Roma women
I have been the victim of a crash for cash with a car load of refugees
I have been scammed by a Roma family on the motorway (failed attempt)
I have been threatened with death by Muslims because I didnt agree when they were abusing a drunk white man
I have been attacked in St Petersburgh by a gang of 20+ Romas and then chased for half a mile until I got to a mall.

Anyone can see that it does not make for a peacful coexistence.

what we need is controlled immigration
we should not be accepting exported criminals and immoral human beings

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Have you been stalking Roma's Ian?  

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 Its a reasonable question given the evidence.

 

i MIGHT WELL BE DELUSIONAL!

My wife, Romalena says that I can go into stupors only to return days later with onions and garlic, strange motifs stuck to me and brandishing a pamphlets about joining the caravan club in GB and Europe. 

Political chaos yes. Financial will be temporary. Currency & stocks losses have been much lower than expected. They will recover.

Not much sign of rising prices yet and will only apply while the pound is weak.

Not seen any job losses yet.

Economy had already slowed down. Any recession will be slight and short lived.

You're dramatically under selling the UK economy Kempo. The EU need us as much as we need them and everything currently being spouted is rhetoric.