A list of suggestions/possibilities.
George Burley
Ian Holloway
Paul Clement
Alan Curbishley
Stuart Gray
Alan Irvine
Gary Megson
Nigel Pearson
Alex Mcleish
Billy Davies
Steve McLaren
Peter Reid
Gianfranco Zola
Micky Adams
Chris Powell
Here is a man who was assistant to Sir Alex for a good while, has managed in a top league abroad, has managed in the Championship (at the top end) with considerable success and who has even managed his country. He might have had mixed results with England and at Newcastle, but no more so than most others who pick up that particular poisoned chalice.
He didn't get given the England job by being a complete idiot, and he hasn't become one overnight.
He does have an unfortunate 'rabbit in headlights' look about him when things are not going well, but I think he has a lot of very good qualities. People in the game still seem to rate him as a top man.
My worry about McClaren is whether or not we can afford him, not whether or not he is a good manager.
Here is a man who was assistant to Sir Alex for a good while, has managed in a top league abroad, has managed in the Championship (at the top end) with considerable success and who has even managed his country. He might have had mixed results with England and at Newcastle, but no more so than most others who pick up that particular poisoned chalice.
He didn't get given the England job by being a complete idiot, and he hasn't become one overnight.
He does have an unfortunate 'rabbit in headlights' look about him when things are not going well, but I think he has a lot of very good qualities. People in the game still seem to rate him as a top man.
My worry about McClaren is whether or not we can afford him, not whether or not he is a good manager.
lol. I just dont think he has had the "spine" for football management. He has done "as well as other" , but not anything unusual since Middlesbrough.
This article taking in his FC Twenty reign was written as NUFC appointed him and says everything I think I notice about him and why he would not be a manager I would choose.
I have always thought it made sense to use an umbrella when it is raining and for that reason felt sorry for every manager after him because they cannot.
How about Neil Warnock as our next manager?
Right now, he's short odds at only Blackburn Rovers who are talking to Manchester United's Warren Joyce. Unless I've misread it and they want Joyce to manage the chicken business, maybe NW has miscalculated his options.
I thinks so too Trevor. He could have done a job for us next season and signed off into retirement with a job well done. Who in the Championship would want to accommodate his particular requirements.
Mowbray not for me. Nice guy buy like a lot of the candidates the record and performance are on a steep decline. Warnock has gone , gone, gone.
The latest article by Paul suggesting umbrella man has made an approach is curious. Bower's name remains at the top and Tony says again he wants a championship manager. Still, Tony has said things like this before, but head turned by his heart is always a distinct possibility with TS.
-- Edited by ian on Tuesday 24th of May 2016 07:03:56 AM
Steve McClaren needs to rebuild his stock as a football manager,the jobs he has had have been more negative than positive in his managerial career.
As a coach not a manager many of the top former players including the likes of Scholes,Giggs and the Neville brothers have always said he was the best coach they ever worked with.
The difference between a coach and a manager is a big gap as has been proved by many a coach/assistant manager that has tried their hand at the hot seat at many clubs,a coach does all the day to day training and tactical development of the team,a manager does exactly what it says on the tin,he manages the players on and off the field.
When McClaren has been in charge at a big club with big name players and with England he has not had much success,when he has had a job at a smaller club it makes his case look stronger for a team like ours,big name players with big wallets have big ego's to go with that and it takes a certain type of man manager to handle them especialy when in most cases the players are earning a vast amount more than the manager,this only happens in football,imagine yourself at your workplace where you work now and you are earning 3 times as much as your manager a week and you have a signed contract in your name for your term of employment and your manager calls you in for a chat and tells you he wants you to put more effort in because his job is under threat if you don't and he will be sacked if you don't.
you would just sit there with a smirk as if to say yeh I'm alright mate I've got a contract and can't be sacked if you don't know how to manage me properly.
At a club like ours thats not the case and he would command the respect with his CV from the players.
in his career McClaren has always done better when he has taken a step down the ladder and it is more of his level,he only dropped off at Derby because he had his head turned by Newcastle as it came out after he had already talked to them and agreed to take over the following season.
For me its a yes and a no brainer if we could get this man in charge.
As for the other runners and riders Tony Mowbray would be a good shout as he is a harsh manager a bit like Evans but the milder version,Stuart Gray for me would be a big no,he turned the pigs around after jones got the sack but the players were more releived he had gone and that will always give a team a lift in that situation whoever takes over,for me he's not proven as a manager after a short spell as a caretaker and why has no other club been linked with him?
Gary Bower has experience and with a championship club with dodgy owners did well to last 2 seasons,Steve Clarke would be a good call if interested,Phil Brown not getting much of a mention could be a good appointment and then do we go down the pigs route and get a foreign manager,many people slated their new manager because of the amount of clubs he had managed and his lack of english experiance,he's not done a bad job has he?
Whoever our club choose lets get behind him and support them,as mr Warnock showed when a clubs fans get behind a team things can happen.
UTM
Steve McClaren needs to rebuild his stock as a football manager,the jobs he has had have been more negative than positive in his managerial career. As a coach not a manager many of the top former players including the likes of Scholes,Giggs and the Neville brothers have always said he was the best coach they ever worked with. The difference between a coach and a manager is a big gap as has been proved by many a coach/assistant manager that has tried their hand at the hot seat at many clubs,a coach does all the day to day training and tactical development of the team,a manager does exactly what it says on the tin,he manages the players on and off the field.
When McClaren has been in charge at a big club with big name players and with England he has not had much success,when he has had a job at a smaller club it makes his case look stronger for a team like ours,big name players with big wallets have big ego's to go with that and it takes a certain type of man manager to handle them especialy when in most cases the players are earning a vast amount more than the manager,this only happens in football,imagine yourself at your workplace where you work now and you are earning 3 times as much as your manager a week and you have a signed contract in your name for your term of employment and your manager calls you in for a chat and tells you he wants you to put more effort in because his job is under threat if you don't and he will be sacked if you don't. you would just sit there with a smirk as if to say yeh I'm alright mate I've got a contract and can't be sacked if you don't know how to manage me properly. At a club like ours thats not the case and he would command the respect with his CV from the players. in his career McClaren has always done better when he has taken a step down the ladder and it is more of his level,he only dropped off at Derby because he had his head turned by Newcastle as it came out after he had already talked to them and agreed to take over the following season. For me its a yes and a no brainer if we could get this man in charge.
As for the other runners and riders Tony Mowbray would be a good shout as he is a harsh manager a bit like Evans but the milder version,Stuart Gray for me would be a big no,he turned the pigs around after jones got the sack but the players were more releived he had gone and that will always give a team a lift in that situation whoever takes over,for me he's not proven as a manager after a short spell as a caretaker and why has no other club been linked with him? Gary Bower has experience and with a championship club with dodgy owners did well to last 2 seasons,Steve Clarke would be a good call if interested,Phil Brown not getting much of a mention could be a good appointment and then do we go down the pigs route and get a foreign manager,many people slated their new manager because of the amount of clubs he had managed and his lack of english experiance,he's not done a bad job has he?
Whoever our club choose lets get behind him and support them,as mr Warnock showed when a clubs fans get behind a team things can happen. UTM
I see the points re mclaren but his FC Twenty days dont fully support the theory that he profits if the players are earning less and arent virtual stars. That being said, I take the point that relatively he would be a big fish for us and the players and fans may well respond to him. However, the slightly odd reporting of his approach suggests it was quickly put to bed...money perhaps?
Steve McClaren needs to rebuild his stock as a football manager,the jobs he has had have been more negative than positive in his managerial career. As a coach not a manager many of the top former players including the likes of Scholes,Giggs and the Neville brothers have always said he was the best coach they ever worked with. The difference between a coach and a manager is a big gap as has been proved by many a coach/assistant manager that has tried their hand at the hot seat at many clubs,a coach does all the day to day training and tactical development of the team,a manager does exactly what it says on the tin,he manages the players on and off the field.
When McClaren has been in charge at a big club with big name players and with England he has not had much success,when he has had a job at a smaller club it makes his case look stronger for a team like ours,big name players with big wallets have big ego's to go with that and it takes a certain type of man manager to handle them especialy when in most cases the players are earning a vast amount more than the manager,this only happens in football,imagine yourself at your workplace where you work now and you are earning 3 times as much as your manager a week and you have a signed contract in your name for your term of employment and your manager calls you in for a chat and tells you he wants you to put more effort in because his job is under threat if you don't and he will be sacked if you don't. you would just sit there with a smirk as if to say yeh I'm alright mate I've got a contract and can't be sacked if you don't know how to manage me properly. At a club like ours thats not the case and he would command the respect with his CV from the players. in his career McClaren has always done better when he has taken a step down the ladder and it is more of his level,he only dropped off at Derby because he had his head turned by Newcastle as it came out after he had already talked to them and agreed to take over the following season. For me its a yes and a no brainer if we could get this man in charge.
As for the other runners and riders Tony Mowbray would be a good shout as he is a harsh manager a bit like Evans but the milder version,Stuart Gray for me would be a big no,he turned the pigs around after jones got the sack but the players were more releived he had gone and that will always give a team a lift in that situation whoever takes over,for me he's not proven as a manager after a short spell as a caretaker and why has no other club been linked with him? Gary Bower has experience and with a championship club with dodgy owners did well to last 2 seasons,Steve Clarke would be a good call if interested,Phil Brown not getting much of a mention could be a good appointment and then do we go down the pigs route and get a foreign manager,many people slated their new manager because of the amount of clubs he had managed and his lack of english experiance,he's not done a bad job has he?
Whoever our club choose lets get behind him and support them,as mr Warnock showed when a clubs fans get behind a team things can happen. UTM
I see the points re mclaren but his FC Twenty days dont fully support the theory that he profits if the players are earning less and arent virtual stars. That being said, I take the point that relatively he would be a big fish for us and the players and fans may well respond to him. However, the slightly odd reporting of his approach suggests it was quickly put to bed...money perhaps?
fc Twenty had the 4th lowest budget in the dutch league the year he won the title,so it adds to the point i made,they had no superstars as to when he left and went to wolfsburg and failed again.
I am agreeing with the general point but as you say also noticing wolsburgh was a flop and his return to FC was fairly awful too. This suggests that size of club and budget may be less significant in his success v failure ratio.
Hence, he has had good spells and bad spells at most of his clubs. Im also taking into account his resignations after poor results but there seems to be more to it because although they were poor he seemed to jump much too quickly at forest and FC the second time around. At Derby he was at least as good as previous managers and lets face it he unluckily lost in the most one sided play off final i think ive seen..., but at Newcastle he was pretty poor.
All in All, he would seem a decent risk for us if he was really motivated and his record suggests he is a high calibre manager and wed be fortunate to have him
-- Edited by ian on Wednesday 25th of May 2016 06:33:04 PM
