I know it is an old chestnut, but watching Leicester/West Ham highlights and to a lesser extent watching our games with Forest and Leeds I really felt for the referees. The game in general is littered with cheating. Manhandling at corners or free kicks, diving, exaggerating the effects of contact, appealing for everything, surrounding officials, insulting officials and so on. Then afterwards managers, fans and pundits all micro-analyse decisions and want to blame officials all over again. It really is pathetic. Somewhere soon a referee will say 'do you know what - I've had enough of this' and walk off half way through a game to general bemusement, and the sooner the better. I love the game, but at times watching all that nonsense I could do without it.
It is the inconsistency that is the my main gripe. I don't mind refs giving Vardy a card for simulation but how many times do you see it happen? I wouldn't mind the ref giving a pen for manhandling in the box if he'd given the same decision minutes later in the other box. Then to compound his day, he blatantly even'd if up by giving a non-penalty in the last minute. When referees have an influence on the outcome of the game then we are in trouble.
Mr Moss deserved every word of criticism he got I'm afraid.
-- Edited by S8Miller on Monday 18th of April 2016 09:08:57 AM
I sympathize with your concerns Smiler but what we look for in Refs is consistency and strong leadership. Refs set the standard at the beginning of each season stating what is and what is not allowed. It then requires strong individuals to apply those standards. The comical antics in penalty areas at corners and free kicks this season show that Refs got it wrong at the beginning of the season and professional footballers have capitalised on this by using any and all physicality to stop an opponent getting to the ball knowing they wouldnt be penalised. Some of the tactics wouldn't have been out of place on a rugby field.
What yesterday's Ref got absolutely wrong was to choose that very important game to start penalising interference in the area. As if that wasn't bad enough he then failed to apply his new approach consistently. His final shame was awarding a penalty againgst West Ham which would not have been awarded by 99 outof 100 Refs. And why? Because he realised previous errors had prejudiced Leicester and he therefore needed to redress the balance. Poor leadership and poor consistency.
I agree S8 that he lost control of the game and made some inconsistent decisions. But from the Leicester side Vardy chose to dive, Vardy chose to abuse the ref, Morgan chose to push Reid, Huth chose to grapple with people, and Schlupp chose to milk the Carroll challenge. From the WH side Reid chose to exaggerate his fall, their centre back whose name I forget chose to wrestle people, Carroll chose to challenge Schlupp injudiciously in the front corner of the box in the last minute. My point really is not that refs aren't poor sometimes nor that Mr Moss was blameless. It is that it is a bit rich when players cheat and con their way through matches and push refs to the limit and then slag them off when they get things wrong. Both Leicester and WH fans are saying they were robbed. I have heard plenty of them criticise the ref but I haven't heard any of them criticise their own players. For example if Vardy doesn't choose to cheat, Leicester probably win that match. At least the refs errors were innocent mistakes. The players were cheating deliberately. Criticise the ref fine, but the players are the worse culprits in my book.
Maybe so S8. I was influenced also by watching Leeds crowdrush the ref at every opportunity and then listen to my mate Evans moan the week after about Burnley doing exactly the same, then watching Lansbury for Forest try and bully the ref for 90 minutes whilst throwing himself around the pitch. Maybe it is a natural product of the high stakes they play for. I don't like it though!
Maybe so S8. I was influenced also by watching Leeds crowdrush the ref at every opportunity and then listen to my mate Evans moan the week after about Burnley doing exactly the same, then watching Lansbury for Forest try and bully the ref for 90 minutes whilst throwing himself around the pitch. Maybe it is a natural product of the high stakes they play for. I don't like it though!
However, in this particular incident I think the Ref got it horrible wrong and made the most crucial mistake by misreading the nature of the game. The Ref has to handle the cir***stance as his/her most important task.
What was ironic of course was the equally ridiculous mishandling of the nature of this game by sacking the first referee in case his decisions could be called into question.
What a farce it all looks now. Im afraid on this showing he wasnt up to it and must have been panicking all game. Not really the mindset or emotional control needed to be a referee.
Peter Willis Towdlad? Awful ref but took no nonsense. We could do with his brother Bruce in Die Hard mode in the Premier League these days.
I do take on board what everyone is saying about inconsistency and the poor performance of Mr Moss in particular yesterday, and also about the high stakes. But at the same time players surely have to take responsibility for what they do.
I am a huge fan of Vardy and have an affinity with Leicester, but he knew he was on a (harsh) yellow card yesterday and he took a dive to try and win a penalty. Simple. No doubt it was a dive. He threw his legs into the trailing defender and did a pirouette. His decision to cheat. Have you seen the look on his face then when he gives the ref abuse whilst pointing at him? He should have saved it for himself. It is a lead on the BBC Football site this morning. Disgraceful. And that was before any of the penalty/not penalty farce that followed.
The referee was awful in general, but neither Leicester nor West Ham emerge with any credit at all.
anything that involves human beings, money and rewards for beating the opposition will be full of cheats, corruption and errors that are taken advantage of. All we can hope is to minimise it, but you won't stop it we are a flawed species
Are referee's any worse than what they were 20,30,50 years ago? I would argue they are better - they have to be, the game is faster with more intricate rules, more rides on any result, greater pressure and more primadona's to handle.
Its about time focus changed and the MEDIA became the focus of blame. Their incessant close ups and replays are for their own gratification, and very rarely are they for the good of the game and even more rarely for the benefit of learning of the young minds that watch on TV. They are there to promote controversy, that gives them viewing figures and commands ad space, it gives them primary sellable rights over footage and fills newspaper, internet pages with glorified crap.
It's about time the FA got some backbone and said all live matches are to be recorded only from the half way line up in the stand, no close ups of incidents, managers, or anything that brings the game into disrepute. Have replays of goals, chances or whatever but purely from the half way line.
The only people that should see these things are the very few in the crowd closest to the incident, referees would be left alone, and there would be nothing to talk about other than the good things about the game.
Its your product FA, start demanding what you will and will not supply!
After hearing all the poisonous language on the radio today who the hell would be a ref. 100mph cheats trying to con you at every turn, diving, pulling shirts - if the players were more honest then the refs job would be making basic decisions instead of sifting the genuine from the dishonest. I blame the players, the media, the money and Sky TV. Their close-ups fill so much air time picking and poking at the officials with magnified 100x lens in super slow mo.