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Davidedin
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smiler wrote:

Sorry Derby, nothing personal, but the stat wasn't ridiculed at all. The stat was a statement of fact. Unarguable. It was the conclusion that you took from the stat that was the problem. A bad win ratio at a club that was always going to be towards the wrong end of the table doesn't make a man a worse manager than someone say who has a better ratio but is under performing at a club that should be near the top. As I suggested illustrates that, Howe is doing a better managerial job than Van Gaal this season, but his stats are worse. I hope that clarifies the point I was trying to make, which I stand by. Anyway, I agree with you that this Redfearn dismissal is premature. Short term results have taken priority over long term thinking. That is fine if we are a club that gives the manager the tools to get the short term success. Then a board can look a manager in the eye and say 'we gave you every chance and you have failed'. We could do that in league 2 and up to a point in league 1. I don't think they could say the same to Redfearn. He took on a hell of a difficult job and has been working in a straight jacket with someone else's bad signings and limited resources to try and change things mid season. If TS wants someone to get us into the Championship playoffs within 3 years or so he either needs to sell to someone who is willing to break all the fair play rules or appoint Dynamo as boss. By the way, why the hell would you take on a new assistant manager and sack the manager one game later? Where is the logic in that? It smacks a bit of knee jerk desperation.

But "“We are shopping at a different market to everybody else,” he said. “The players we are bringing in are good players, experienced players, and they are doing everything they can. " plus Bechhio, Best, and others that have never or hardly kicked a ball.... is in my interpretation a person who is saying he can't do anymore, when more is exactly what is required...

As a man manager, the Charlton and Bolton games were 'go for the throat' come off the pitch with not an ounce of energy left, bleed for the shirt, don't let them pass, work your 'Boll**ks off'.... type rhetoric... I didn't see those type of performances and it's those type of performances we need despite the quality of squad we have ( a squad that on their day can beat Hull, Brighton etc) A good manager get's what he needs to win games - TS has called it based on his view of Redfearn's ability to see it through...



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It is sad but it's hard to argue against. If nothing else it proves the mindset of the club is that relegation would be a disaster.

There may have been a misrepresentation of the actual background to Redferns appointment.

Like he himself said numerous time the team has to both stay up and build long term. I think he knew he had to do both.

Losing those 2 games recently must have forced the question to the very front of Tony Stewart mind.

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i'd love it if we could get Warnock

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Sad day for RUFC in the fact that I hope we dont become a sacking club , feel sorry for Redfern I believe he's been working under very difficult cir***stances no cash etc , but he's gone now and we have got to get on with saving the Millers , personally I can only think of one man to step in now till end of season and then use him to choose next manager for some longevity that man is Niel Warnock its controversial but you only have to look at his record and he I believe has a definite affinity with us . This is not a time to take a gamble on someone who is unproven at this level we deserve better . Tony Stewart must be gutted the way things are going thats why he must get someone who can guide him through the football side of the business because it appears obvious we have no one who knows enough to set us up . Warnock is a terrific football man he will have contacts both in and out of the game that will help us , this will cost a few quid but we can't afford the alternative . Not saying that he would save us from relegation we are in to deep at the moment but I know he would battle to the last whistle . All we can do once again is trust in Tony and pray to the gods of football he gets it right . Also the players have got to take a look at themselves and ask questions , and as supporters we have got to get behind them like never before its no time for moaning its time to let them know we want to stay in the championship . UTM come on you REDS.

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The more I think about it the more I think it is a bad decision. I realise I am in a minority on here but have to say it as I see it. People say it takes guts to make the decision to sack the manager. Perhaps the braver thing is to stand by him. Leicester held their nerve with Pearson last year and were rewarded. Barnsley held their nerve with Johnson and he went from eight straight defeats to nine straight wins. I think we have panicked. We gave him 30 month contract and he has had 20 games. It isn't long enough especially when he came in just after the transfer window closed and has been given nothing to invest - in fact he has had to clear out dead wood to make room for loans and frees. In those 20 games there have been some really good performances and cause for optimism although at times we have struggled. We haven't had many breaks. I can't believe that we had this sacking in mind last week when we took on Redfearn's choice of Assistant, and the Bolton performance wasn't so bad as to have made the difference. If his job depended on winning that, why not wait 4 days to appoint Eaden? I think taking a step back from it the whole episode is a bit embarrassing to be honest. I wonder if someone else who TS wants in became available all of a sudden? It doesn't add up otherwise.

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smiler wrote:

The more I think about it the more I think it is a bad decision. I realise I am in a minority on here but have to say it as I see it. People say it takes guts to make the decision to sack the manager. Perhaps the braver thing is to stand by him. Leicester held their nerve with Pearson last year and were rewarded. Barnsley held their nerve with Johnson and he went from eight straight defeats to nine straight wins. I think we have panicked. We gave him 30 month contract and he has had 20 games. It isn't long enough especially when he came in just after the transfer window closed and has been given nothing to invest - in fact he has had to clear out dead wood to make room for loans and frees. In those 20 games there have been some really good performances and cause for optimism although at times we have struggled. We haven't had many breaks. I can't believe that we had this sacking in mind last week when we took on Redfearn's choice of Assistant, and the Bolton performance wasn't so bad as to have made the difference. If his job depended on winning that, why not wait 4 days to appoint Eaden? I think taking a step back from it the whole episode is a bit embarrassing to be honest. I wonder if someone else who TS wants in became available all of a sudden? It doesn't add up otherwise.

 The difference is that those two managers looked at what they had, made changes and improved their teams.  Redfearn has had 22 games and if anything we are a worse side now than when he took over.



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I think he walked out on 77 minutes in support of the Liverpool fans and deserved sacking for being poor at just about everything.

What I will say about him is that he would make an excellent scout. He can spot a good player but can't mould a team.

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Got a feeling that Eaden would have some trial period. Could be wrong though. In the scheme of it the money side has been a disaster this season before Redfearn started, I'll bet the thinking is, we've already funded a loss so its worth the risk on the basis it can be recovered next season with the extra TV money, making it more critical that we stay in this league, not to mention the effects on corporate, season tickets, units, G & C etc. If we stay up I really will wonder how, its turmoil like our season that usually send clubs down. I had no shadow of a doubt we'd stay up last season, despite Evans' mistakes in making it closer than it should have really been. We all knew how much harder this season would be and our fate determined on summer movements. Those proved an instant disaster, but to perform like we have in particular January was cringeworthy and what 4 wins in 20 wouldn't be enough for anyone in any division including semi pro. To walk away from a stadium time and again in that time thinking what a mess from top to bottom had to stop. Had we got at teams and pushed more teams back, not only would we have more points but we'd believe the performances were improved, which they clearly weren't

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Neither sad or happy, results have been awful.

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