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A decent turn out lat night from the Millers faithful and for what?  To be totally let down again by a bunch of passionless, spineless, relegation fodder (Broadfoot apart).  This is team is the worst I have seen in 20 years, no leaders, no battlers, no craft, no idea.

 

These players will take us down:

 

Buxton and Mattock - only here to pick up a paycheck - how else do you explain two supposedly decent championship defenders looking like like they would struggle in League 2?

Collins - should never, ever get a start again.  His mistake allowed the "prolific" Ishmael Miller to steal the ball, run 20 yards unopposed and slot past an exposed Camp.  But it's not the mistake that galls, no it's the fact that he simply sat on his arse and watched him, couldn't be bothered to atone for his mistake.   

Grant Ward - one decent game in ten, not a relegation battler, send him back.

Danny Ward - never a striker in a million years, not done anything to convince me that he has the potential to be a decent player since he has been here.

Of the rest

Frecklington and Smallwood - both looked off the pace yesterday but past experience suggests they are good enough to play in the Championship.

Camp - good enough

Broadfoot - is our best player on a  consistent basis, never lets us down and at least  looks like he cares.

Clarke Harris - struggling in a poor side, flashes of brilliance but not ready to play the role that Redfearn is asking him to play.  Got bullied all night by their centre backs.  

Derbyshire - hit a rare purple patch last season that kept us up, but now looks a player whose confidence is on the floor again.  Time to get rid

Hyam - looks a decent player, unlucky not to grab one back late on.  Worth hanging on to.

 

 

 



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yep it was the worst match i listened to on the radio since the wolves match away last season

we are reaping the previous managers transfer policy yes redferan picks the team but the majoiry are still evans players

in jan

and why he keeps picking collins i dont know

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stop blaming evans 12 games in and redfearn hasn't got a clue, Redfearn has recruited 6 players

2 don't play yet Redfearn says they are our saviours, they were out of work and now feigning injuries (even Redfearn hinted at this last night)

1 talented young winger, scores in 1st game then made a bit part player. goes back early due to not playing likely to damage relationship with man city

1 young lad from Norwich, extended loan but not 1st choice. Redfearn says he needs men yet recruits 2 boys

1 Player that is now suspended due to personal conduct and a criminal charge (why sign him at all when the club knew it was pending)

1 lad from Ipswich that can actually play but isn't fit enough yet

 

 

 



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Agree Derby NR must stop blaming SE , its his team and his player's , surely when he applied for job he told TS he would be able to work with the players he'd inherited . Just read he's been left with' sub standard players that sounds like blame Evans and the player's not Niel Redfern , got news for you mate buck stops with you now , stop bleating get them fit get them playing like a team get the journey men who are just in for final pay day out , and finally start managing our club and if you are unable get out of it because it seems above your capabilities .

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Headed to Deepest Darkest West Yorkshire hoping to see us edge closer to safety against a side that had lost their last four home games and were well short of confidence or so we were told.

What transpired was that I witnessed one of the most abject performances for a very long time against a team just above us in the division.

What an absolute shambles? What an absolute waste of an evening? It started badly and deteriorated rapidly. First of all, there was our seats, right along the front and wet through after incessant rain which somehow misses any protection from the stand roof in a stadium which is beginning to show it's age through wear and tear. Indeed, a constant flow of torrential rain water at one end of that area, presumably the result of a broken drain suggested a dire need for renovation!

Then there was the horrendous view, which obstructed two thirds of the pitch with only the near goal truly visible through the netting!

Then there was the sight of home fans situated in that very same area separated only by the usual dividers and a line of stewards. I suppose that for those of you who didn't attend (the lucky ones!) this ought to have added to an atmosphere? What it did, thanks to a huge drum was to annoy and exacerbate any shred of enjoyment. To say that we were unable to hear ourselves think, is an understatement. I'm sure that it must annoy the home fans in equal measure?

Moving on to matters on the pitch.

Where was Leon Best, our much heralded striker that's going to be some sort of Messiah and score lots of goals, at least NR reckons so? Apparently, he's injured despite being unable to feature for three weeks? Amazing, what do we do in training?

So, it was back to the tried and not so trusty group of players, and I use the term loosely, to get us a result and close that gap at the bottom of this league.

Despite Redfern's favourite, Danny Ward starting, it was apparent from the off that we were playing one up front. Why? Playing JCH as a lone striker has not worked to date and never will. Collins again started despite everyone and his dog agreeing that he's way, way past his sell by date and ought to retire.

We started badly and the home side should have scored in the first minute. They had width and played to the wings causing us all sorts of problems throughout a first half that was almost unbearable to watch. We were so poor, offered nothing up front and frequently struggled to contain their attack. Collins struggled for pace and positional sense and Buxton's defending and even more so his occasional forays up front suggested he was out of his depth at this level. Mattock looked okay and showed a few flashes of skill and Broadfoot was managing to hold things together on what was becoming a difficult night.

When the goal came, it wasn't a surprise, everyone backed off and allowed Carayol to hit a dipping shot over Camp to score. From our view behind his goal, I thought Camp should have done better.

Tails up and for the rest of that half they threatened to run riot. Somehow, we managed to get to half time just a goal down. NR had to change it?

We improved a bit second half although playing D Ward down the wing was bizarre at best and left JCH even more isolated in the middle. Briefly we suggested an equaliser and Newell, who was having a mare should have scored but his poor shot was easily saved by their keeper. 

They used their subs to replace tiring legs, we didn't, and one of those subs scored the crucial second goal, when Collins, seemingly nailed to the pitch failed dismally to get the right side of Ismael, a player who hadn't scored for over twenty games and that oh not so prolific striker simply ran past him and slotted home.

When our subs finally came, they were much less effective and I can't recall a single touch from Derbyshire. Hyam did hit the post when it looked easier to score but the home side finished the stronger and ought to have won more handsomely. Perhaps that's why our manager didn't use his subs earlier? either way, he doesn't seem to have any confidence in many if any of them.

When the referee finally put us out of our misery, we all sloped off into the night completely baffled after such a dismal display. 

In front of a large travelling support, the current squad is simply not good enough and will be relegated. Huddersfield are a supposed rival in that relegation fight but looked better, stronger, fitter and better coached than our players.

Whilst it's true that NR hasn't had much of an opportunity to bring in his own players,  those few he has managed to sign, hardly give me hope that any additions in January will be able to stem the downward spiral. Kelly and Best are injured, Barker has gone back by mutual agreement to his parent club and Toffolo looks well short of Championship quality. Only Hyam looks remotely up to the quality needed?  

It's going to be a long hard season. 

 

 

 



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I got back last night after a 300 mile round trip and thought to myself, let the dust settle, inwardly review and move on.

BUT i cant, Redfearn is a joke, i have tried to give him time, but how much longer can we as a club put up with this!!!

I finished work early, made the effort and it would seem that our supporters made more effort that our Team.(exception is Broadfoot)

We were screaming for some attacking play, we were getting players ready warming them up (this took a long time) - BTW we were still only one nil down by then, and then Udders score, so what does redfearn do, make 2 changes, too late Neil, too late.

4 points adrift, he is blaming the team and the previous in***bents, poor, very poor.

These are professionals all taking a wage, and YOU make them play, how many coaches have we got now when we warm up, 5 i counted, so what are these doing Mon - Fri, Warney on his own with Dibby for goalkeepers did a better job.

We are investing in what - relegation? Jan Window opens, who are we going to get, the table doesn't lie!!

We need to stay in this division - no fail, and i for one will not travel to any more away matches unless things improve, and i feel that i may not be going anytime soon.


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Maybe a bit harsh on Newell Axholme? I also thought he missed a sitter at the time however, looking at the highlights on the player, he did well to open up a shooting chance and I thought he still had a bit to do from the angle he was at, looked a good save to me rather than a poor shot?

One other point, if Newell is off the pitch, you would think we would have someone ready to take the corners and not just leave it to the guy closest to the corner flag.

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One other point, if Newell is off the pitch, you would think we would have someone ready to take the corners and not just leave it to the guy closest to the corner flag.


 

That was just one example of poor game management last night.  Another I noticed was on corners, who was the outlet when Clarke Harris came back to defend corners?  On more than one occasion we had all 10 outfield players defending, ball gets cleared and comes straight back.  I did notice in the second half that Grant Ward seemed to be assigned the task of jogging towards the halfway line at corners but it all appears a bit half hearted with players not really knowing what their job is supposed to be and that is down to rank bad management.  



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Maybe a bit harsh on Newell but I am still smarting from what was an embarrassing evening.

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And me Axholme, truly disappointing. I took a friend to watch his first Millers game, I spent most of the first half making excuses for how we were playing....There are only so many times you can say " we are not really this bad, honest". In the end, I just shut up.

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It's all a bit embarrassing at the moment but supporting a football club like RUFC has always been like that. You have ups and downs and after so many ups, we are suffering witnessing a major down. I still can't quite believe that we are in with a shout of escaping the drop, given our pathetic points tally. This slight optimism from me may well be diluted still further if we are beaten by Hull City (likely) and Bolton (maybe).

Everything appears to be resting on some sort of miracle happening in January, but how's that going to materialise. I can't see TS splashing the cash to pay for any real quality signings can you? Plus despite us all agreeing that several of the current squad have to go, who realistically is going to want them?

It ain't looking great is it?

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I hoped I was wrong several games ago and still do .

I saw his weakness ; he blames others ; speaks in clichés, don't have a clear plan. Yet; he can spot a player and occasionally has shown a shrewd tactical turn.

The club is to blame. They should have known what they were getting. No excuse. What was It? 50 candidates! Yet, they pick the least experienced and worse a guy with a development track record...it never works. They don't translate to first team match day do or die know-how.

Yet many supporters believed they were content with relegation because it was better to admit we aren't as a club up to it and would only have a chance with a long term fabulous youth policy that Redferns messianic arrival would provide.

Whatever your personal philosophy it isn't working. There is no guarantee it will be better now or next season in league 1. So, a decision is looming. I can just about convince myself to stick with him based on giving up on the season. But, shouldn't we believe for more than that? These players have shown they can perform. Maybe a manager with balls and personal strength could still do it.

What next? Stick or twist?

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AxholmeMiller wrote:

It's all a bit embarrassing at the moment but supporting a football club like RUFC has always been like that. You have ups and downs and after so many ups, we are suffering witnessing a major down. I still can't quite believe that we are in with a shout of escaping the drop, given our pathetic points tally. This slight optimism from me may well be diluted still further if we are beaten by Hull City (likely) and Bolton (maybe).

Everything appears to be resting on some sort of miracle happening in January, but how's that going to materialise. I can't see TS splashing the cash to pay for any real quality signings can you? Plus despite us all agreeing that several of the current squad have to go, who realistically is going to want them?

 It ain't looking great is it?


Fair comments Ax,  we are not getting hammered though (maybe should have waited 'til after Saturday to say that?), we're not quite good enough.

So 3 or 4 players might, just might, turn it around plus best of what we have, but I agree with you the biggest thing standing in the way of that is probably going to be TS's reluctance to spend anything getting those 3 or 4 players we need..

Although I still can't see the sense it that. one thing for sure is that TS is a businessman, and being in League 1
I would argue is a poorer business case than risking a few £100ks in January and staying up.



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WorcesterMiller wrote:

I got back last night after a 300 mile round trip and thought to myself, let the dust settle, inwardly review and move on.

BUT i cant, Redfearn is a joke, i have tried to give him time, but how much longer can we as a club put up with this!!!

I finished work early, made the effort and it would seem that our supporters made more effort that our Team.(exception is Broadfoot)

We were screaming for some attacking play, we were getting players ready warming them up (this took a long time) - BTW we were still only one nil down by then, and then Udders score, so what does redfearn do, make 2 changes, too late Neil, too late.

4 points adrift, he is blaming the team and the previous in***bents, poor, very poor.

These are professionals all taking a wage, and YOU make them play, how many coaches have we got now when we warm up, 5 i counted, so what are these doing Mon - Fri, Warney on his own with Dibby for goalkeepers did a better job.

We are investing in what - relegation? Jan Window opens, who are we going to get, the table doesn't lie!!

We need to stay in this division - no fail, and i for one will not travel to any more away matches unless things improve, and i feel that i may not be going anytime soon.


 Great sentence Worcester. 

"We are investing in relegation"

That sums up what I think happens when you employ a mentality of development when fight to stay where we are will be crucial to that. It has become a distraction to the club. They have taken their eye off the ball.  



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Headed to Deepest Darkest West Yorkshire hoping to see us edge closer to safety against a side that had lost their last four home games and were well short of confidence or so we were told.

What transpired was that I witnessed one of the most abject performances for a very long time against a team just above us in the division.

What an absolute shambles? What an absolute waste of an evening? It started badly and deteriorated rapidly. First of all, there was our seats, right along the front and wet through after incessant rain which somehow misses any protection from the stand roof in a stadium which is beginning to show it's age through wear and tear. Indeed, a constant flow of torrential rain water at one end of that area, presumably the result of a broken drain suggested a dire need for renovation!

Then there was the horrendous view, which obstructed two thirds of the pitch with only the near goal truly visible through the netting!

Then there was the sight of home fans situated in that very same area separated only by the usual dividers and a line of stewards. I suppose that for those of you who didn't attend (the lucky ones!) this ought to have added to an atmosphere? What it did, thanks to a huge drum was to annoy and exacerbate any shred of enjoyment. To say that we were unable to hear ourselves think, is an understatement. I'm sure that it must annoy the home fans in equal measure?

Moving on to matters on the pitch.

Where was Leon Best, our much heralded striker that's going to be some sort of Messiah and score lots of goals, at least NR reckons so? Apparently, he's injured despite being unable to feature for three weeks? Amazing, what do we do in training?

So, it was back to the tried and not so trusty group of players, and I use the term loosely, to get us a result and close that gap at the bottom of this league.

Despite Redfern's favourite, Danny Ward starting, it was apparent from the off that we were playing one up front. Why? Playing JCH as a lone striker has not worked to date and never will. Collins again started despite everyone and his dog agreeing that he's way, way past his sell by date and ought to retire.

We started badly and the home side should have scored in the first minute. They had width and played to the wings causing us all sorts of problems throughout a first half that was almost unbearable to watch. We were so poor, offered nothing up front and frequently struggled to contain their attack. Collins struggled for pace and positional sense and Buxton's defending and even more so his occasional forays up front suggested he was out of his depth at this level. Mattock looked okay and showed a few flashes of skill and Broadfoot was managing to hold things together on what was becoming a difficult night.

When the goal came, it wasn't a surprise, everyone backed off and allowed Carayol to hit a dipping shot over Camp to score. From our view behind his goal, I thought Camp should have done better.

Tails up and for the rest of that half they threatened to run riot. Somehow, we managed to get to half time just a goal down. NR had to change it?

We improved a bit second half although playing D Ward down the wing was bizarre at best and left JCH even more isolated in the middle. Briefly we suggested an equaliser and Newell, who was having a mare should have scored but his poor shot was easily saved by their keeper. 

They used their subs to replace tiring legs, we didn't, and one of those subs scored the crucial second goal, when Collins, seemingly nailed to the pitch failed dismally to get the right side of Ismael, a player who hadn't scored for over twenty games and that oh not so prolific striker simply ran past him and slotted home.

When our subs finally came, they were much less effective and I can't recall a single touch from Derbyshire. Hyam did hit the post when it looked easier to score but the home side finished the stronger and ought to have won more handsomely. Perhaps that's why our manager didn't use his subs earlier? either way, he doesn't seem to have any confidence in many if any of them.

When the referee finally put us out of our misery, we all sloped off into the night completely baffled after such a dismal display. 

In front of a large travelling support, the current squad is simply not good enough and will be relegated. Huddersfield are a supposed rival in that relegation fight but looked better, stronger, fitter and better coached than our players.

Whilst it's true that NR hasn't had much of an opportunity to bring in his own players,  those few he has managed to sign, hardly give me hope that any additions in January will be able to stem the downward spiral. Kelly and Best are injured, Barker has gone back by mutual agreement to his parent club and Toffolo looks well short of Championship quality. Only Hyam looks remotely up to the quality needed?  

It's going to be a long hard season. 

 

 

 


 Very nice post that.



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if (4-5-1 = "releagtion" && 4-4-2 = "chance to stay up")
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Heman, for a minute there i thought we had gone back to BASIC !!!

Which believe it or not is what we need to do:

Great formula and programme, awaiting the box showing FFS on the main screen at the NYS.


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Ahh the "for loop" Heman

Logic indeed does have a place - even in football!

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But can you spot it ex and turn it into a formula that runs forever?

Jose seemed to have got it but it must have just been a good tun of luck.



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Can we add 3-5-2 = promotion!

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