Good grief sounds classy and not a first brush with the law - good role model again 😒

Hope Tony and Redders do right thing and send him back otherwise how can we claim to be a family club , absolutely appalling behaviour , may be a bit old fashioned but males beating ladies no matter how bad they act it's not acceptable. You will hear me booing him from the West stand on Saturday If he turns out , makes me want to vomit .

It's an old story this one in many ways. Footballers out drinking, getting into scrapes, getting into bother. Should clubs employ people who have a criminal past? Are players role models? What gets to me is the hypocrisy of it. Our club like every other is at the heart of the town and the community. We send players into schools and hospitals and do important community work. We do that because we feel we have obligation to and (let's be candid) because it grows grass roots support which is good for business long term. Footballers need to understand what their employers stand for or purport to stand for and either buy into it or accept that they might be unemployable. There are some jobs you just can't do if you are not of good character, and because of what clubs are and what they represent being a pro footballer should be one of them. If you want to get smashed on a Saturday night and fight with girls in the street fine (well not fine but you know what I mean) but you lose the opportunity to represent a professional community football club. Yet in the pursuit of short term results (1) the club will employ anyone no matter what their history or character as long as they can score a goal or get us a win and (2) the majority of supporters will sit or stand there and cheer them on. We will even employ someone at the helm who is a self confessed football related fraudster because he is 'a winner'. I suppose the question is whether or not you would sacrifice what you say you stand for in order to get a quick result. If I could find a smily face equivalent to convey 'ashamed' I would place it here.

-- Edited by smiler on Friday 4th of December 2015 07:26:35 AM

I know footballers aren't always bastions of moral virtue or owt but you have to be a real special sort of person to casually nut a woman.

-- Edited by Really Feeling It on Friday 4th of December 2015 10:14:24 AM

Surely the club knew about all this before we signed him? If so very bad judgement all round.

he was on a night out celebrating being cleared of rape, obviously he didnt take this in consideration when he lost it, and head butted a woman.

Get Rid now.

Everyone is entitled to make a mistake. If sober, I should guess it would not have happened. I am 42 and I have never head butted a girl. I have however driven far too fast and got away with it. Things could have turned out differently and I could have caused an accident and injured someone. Should that be me finished or should I serve my punishment, learn my lesson and then continue with my life?

If I did it again then fair enough, I deserve everything I get.

I have to say Im not in favour of giving him a second chance, especially so close to the offense.

As football is, he will be luckly to get a second chance due to the short nature of it.

I think, however arbitrary it seems, that he needs to be clean for quite a long time before he goes near anything like a job that involves such public connections.

The seriousness of the crime lies in the distasteful nature of it and the fact he was just cleared of rape. I think breaking the speed limit is clearly a judgment call based on conditions and though it could certainly be called reckless and one would be punished for it or any consequent injury caused, it is not the same as actually purposefully headbutting and hitting several women after you have pursued them and got yourself involved in something that has nothing to do with you. I would say the same even if he did have a personal stake in it but Im just pointing out the full conditions in which he was violent.

Stupidity can be devastating but using your fists as a weapon on those who are not violent and weaker than you is despicable and suggests something fundamental about ones control and beliefs.