I wouldn't call JCH a great success. He also paid a pretty penny for Bowery who is utter dross. Other than Frecks, Morgan and Arny all his signings at best have been meh to outright garbage, self confessed with tossing players out after 1 horrible performance. Where he didn't do bad was the loans, we've had some very good ones and at very important times of the L1 and last Championship season.

Granted we do look like all identity has been ripped out, but that's what happens when you go through 30 players every 12 months. His tactical knowledge is sketchy at best, always the solution is more players not his own short comings. He's supposed to be working towards the UEFA B Badge, of which there is no evidence of putting it into practise. Its still pub percentage football. As for his touchline antics, they're putrid and a horrible role model for any fan at any club below the age of 16, who youth coaches like myself spend week after week, year after year trying to teach respect for officials and players, only to see that on a Saturday afternoon.

Memories are short. This season, MK Dons, Fulham were absolutely awful and I'm sure there's more other people have witnessed under his watch. Last season there were plenty of displays particularly after Rev's left that were bereft of ideas, we were a one trick pony that had nothing up our sleeve. He ripped apart a promoted team instantly that needed adding to, not destroying. To come out publicly and nail players like Arny who is gracing the Champions league and will be in France in the summer shows how limited his scope is. He will fail miserably at Leeds once he starts getting rid of Redfearns players and bringing in his own. As for Redfearn he has done some perplexing things, but is that to try the permutations to see what fits best? These are Evans players, do not let 2 wins when we had a Belgian international playing, cloud your judgement because without Ofoe we were / are horrible.

This lad from City could kick start our season, but that needs to go hand in hand with finding a resilience of refusing to be beat, with the defence we have and particular Collins & Green who should not appear in this league again its a tall order. Redfearn will need 2 summers to undo the horrible mess Evans made, he's not superman but he's a damn better coach only Evans could wish to be and that will ensure Redfearn lasts much longer here than Evans will at Leeds, thats a gimme

You got it one Ex, Redfearn is a coach. Not a manager. He is woefully out of his depth and won't last until the end of the season. If he had Ofoe he'd probably leave him on the bench.

You keep stating the MK Dons game but we had two excellent chances to put the game to bed before a Roos horror show did us.

We all get you despise Evans for what he is and his history, a lot do. The fact remains that we had turned the corner prior to his departure. We have got worse week by week since Redfearn took over and there is no way the players will want to play for him following his constant public outbursts of 'they're not good enough'. Excellent man management skills.

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Let's pull no punches here, Redfearn's start has been absolutely disastrous. As bad as we could've ever dreamt it could be. As bad as it's been since Andy Scott. In some ways worse because at least under Scott (whilst obviously a few divisions down) we had some form of resemblance of a team. You know, one of those units that defends together, attacks together and generally works together?

Before we look at the catalogue of errors since Redfearn's arrival, let's get one thing straight, the buck does not stop at Steve Evans. Steve Evans when taking over us took over a side in League 2. Steve Evans left us a side in the Championship, albeit a struggling one. That was done on what was proven to be the lowest playing budget in the division last season. It would only beat one other side's this season. Yes, some signings were poor. There were also some poor ones in Leagues 1 and 2, but we still achieved the objectives each time. Out of the players he paid money for, JCH is a huge success, Newell a good player, Smallwood a good catch whilst we misfired on the big wetter, Bowery. Not a bad record when given the funds.

Steve Evans' main weakness was that he was a toad. He was also a liar, a bullsh#tter, a suck up. A moaner, a propoganda machine and a galvaniser of siege mentality. He was many things (and still is). But he is a successful football manager. And he would never have let us see some of the performances we've seen over the last half a dozen games. Gutless, spineless, cowardly, going through the motions. I'm sick to death of hearing people with very short memories slate Evans because it's the easy thing to do now he's gone. It's akin to when someone leaves your workplace and everyone starts blaming all and sundry on them. Cowardly. If Evans had stayed, would he have had us relegated? Maybe. If Evans had stayed, would we have taken 1 point from 6 games? Absolutely no chance. I think people forget we had back-to-back wins when Evans left against teams currently sat in 6th and 7th place. Since then, a singular point is what we've managed.

Enough of that anyway, so let's have a look at what Redfearn has done since coming in...

1) Trying to play it safe - at Brentford, he played Green (despite it being obvious he struggles to do 90 minutes now). He then 'unleashed' the hugely unimpressive and unfit Aidy White and latterly Richardson. These players are not up to it and he's only played them because he's coached them at Leeds before. Poor.

2) Playing strange formations - and chopping and changing them. Nobody knows what Redfearn's style of football nor preferred formation does and I dare say neither does Redfearn himself. You coach them 4 or 5 times a week. Surely you can find a formation that suits the personnel we have and employ a system that the team can get used to? Isn't that the bare minimum for a manager at this level of football?

3) Not getting your players up for a local derby - just after the only strong performance against Reading on an off day, we ruin it by putting in a totally abject display against our biggest local rivals on Sky tv. Where was the motivation at half time? Why did Wednesday come out so much stronger? Surely as a Yorkshire lad Redfearn knew what was at stake.

4) Playing ageing players that are past it. Green, Richardson and the worst of the lot Collins. Woeful weak after weak, but no cajones to play a youthful side results in the same lacklustre performances again. Pathetic.

5) Dropping your best player against winnable opposition - we knew we'd struggle to get anything against Derby and Boro away (notwithstanding the complete lack of self belief or attempt to make a game of it) so we could live with that. But then to have a home game against a solid, unspectacular team notorious for being hit and miss on the road, a chance to peg them on the backfoot and have a go, and we start our star player and the only one with pace to stretch their slow defence on the bench. Simply unforgivable.

I can cope with mistakes. I'd be frustrated as hell him making all the aforementioned mistakes, but to then absolve himself of all blame is frankly preposterous. Nobody in the history of football management has ever come in with no players and signed all of them himself. Maybe it happened on a tv series, once. Why oh why is he saying they're not his players? Slamming them in the press? That's got to be good for morale. What's it achieving other than proving the job is seemingly too big for him?

Surely the bare minimum you expect from a new man is to be able to coach, motivate and produce performances on the pitch? Not throw in the towel as soon as you've begun? Otherwise, why did we recruit him? Was he saying this at the interview? Most teams with new managers have a bit of a honeymoon period (at the least) before retiring back to poor results. We've got drastically worse and it's the most shambolic, disorganised unit I've seen since the Bergara days.

I hope Redfearn proves me wrong and he turns it around (the new signing from Man City comes in high regard and looks promising) but he's started so, so terribly.

Up to you now, Neil. No more cowardly excuses.

What he said 100% agree . 

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original post 100% correct

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it does seem things are worse at present than under evans.

We did have some poor performances in the first several games, but Saturday was another matter all together. We also had some progression but I take the anti evans camps point about ofoe.

Its not going to be settled this, ever.

I think there are worthwhile points to be made on both sides of the coin.

However, the things that bother me that cannot be attributed to Evans are the following:

His open and fairly constant criticism of players and the whole team in fact.
He doesnt stand up for them at all.
The team has shown almost no spirit under him.
He has not picked what is almost universally recognised as our best players.
His CV is poor! Yes, Poor! maybe I should class this in the same category as it needs some explanation
He has gone from saying we have a good team with talent (first week or two) to the opposite.
He is not taking responsibility.
We all want him to succeed-there is none of the bias that saw the appointment of evans directed at Redfern.
We all struggle to remember a worse performance than Saturday-imagine, it could easily have been 8 or more without much of a stretch of ones integrity.

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Spot on Ian.  I said it when he was the book makers favourite.  He is a coach, has zero experience of managing a club at this level.  When I say manage, I mean have the full responsibility of running on the field issues.  He had none of that at Leeds, and even Chellino said after he sacked him that he was a "weak leader".

Redfearn's appointment is going to set us back a good few years, which is a real shame.

 

yes, the point about being a weak leader is beginning to have some substance-worrying.

The other thing is that in his latest interview he talks about the players again. This time he says they arent up to it in the way he wants to play. We might have to go back to basics again , he says. We might have to learn about putting pressure on the ball, he muses.

Mick says it really should have been maybe 9!

We cant change everything says Neil, We have to work with what we have got; Players seen slitting wrist in background (Jesus!).

We have to uncomplicate it totally (for these **** players). We have to tell them how to get up and down the pitch and, you know, the work ethic and about closing down and competing...

Thanks Neil!

Im inspired. 6 games in charge and the players dont know how to go up and down the pitch, close down and work hard. Oh! Really!

why?

They arent good enough apparently.

Players reaction: what the ****. Whos is this guy. Its like being managed by a total novice. He wants me to run up and down and get serious and close down but, on the other hand, Im not good enough but he is going to have to work with me anyway until he gets someone in who he thinks is better...whats the point!?

Really, this cant go on guys. Redders does not have any insight into management at all by the sounds of it.

I dont like writing the above. Its making me feel bad on all accounts but its what he is saying and the inference will be made by fans and players alike

I totally agree but if they arent being either mature, good enough or making an effort then its got to come from the Manager. I mean, I agree, a pro would do all those things , so, when they arent where do we look?

It might work to treat them like they are at a boot camp. Its worth a try because clearly showing them the 'way of Redders' is not working and he thinks they are technically gifted enough to learn his way. Im going to call it the 'way of the Yorkshire pudding', as that is what Tony Stewart said of him when asked why he employed him.

Time and time again we see examples of team under-performing while it is also true that they arent that good in terms of the opposition but the manager has to come first.

Sunderland, Liverpool and Chelsea are current high profile examples along this spectrum. Chelsea are clearly good enough. Liverpool no one is really sure but they seem to be under performing and Sunderland are rubbish, but Chelsea have undeniably a great manager, Liverpool likewise and have flirted with greatness over the last few seasons but are missing the consistency and Sunderland go from effective to appalling. What point am I making? The manager matters and at the end of the day its the manager who is good enough or not. Players will fluctuate in form but results fluctuate too. Right now at NYS this is not happening. We are just pretty bad most of the time.

Redders is really worrying me. I don't normally get worried and perhaps Im over reacting but I don't hear or see anything at present that suggests he is in control

Fulham's manager got sacked for losing 2 5 at home at the weekend, quite right too.....just a minute?