How come we totally agree on that lol

And Redfearn stated it again today, no doubt the Evans lovers will be all over it 'we've recruited badly'

I don't think now is the time for Redfearn to stamp his authority on it, that comes in the summer, his focus needs to rest purely on working with and getting the best out of what we have. We need 13 wins and 6 draws from 30 matches, that's already 1.5 points per game. When it starts requiring 2 points a game thats promotion form and that's when we're down. Things have to change and quickly while we're nearer the 1.5 points mark.

As for those player I don't think many would disagree, but its going to take somehow a fair number of those to start performing to keep us up, they won't be replaced quickly so we have to work with those that aren't beyond help

smiler wrote:

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I can't imagine that you could agree and then blame anyone but Evans for where we are because they are all players he brought in and most of them this summer. You seem to have faith based on his history of getting results that Evans could have found a formula with those players to get enough results to keep us up and I am deeply cynical about that. That seems to be the difference between us. Results like todays at least make for strong opinions and a healthy debate!

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 Well, it wasn't a definitive statement. However, these are the 3 best players that we agree on. The rest are below what's needed on a consistent basis. 

 

I wouldn't call it faith really. Faith is belief based on something not yet aquired or seem. With steve evans there was plenty of evidence he could get results.  It continues at Leeds.  Same players but better results. So, I don't see it as faith based on opinion ,it's evidence about his results.

 

The main point that's contrary to my position is that Steve evans player recruitment style was bad for the club. There is no solid evidence for this.

 

Results have been good enough and the club has made a profit. I simply believed that is a good foundation to move forward on. 

 

Evans is a class A prat at times but he knows how to get results when it really matters. He certainly isn't a tactical genius so it must be down to his motivational skills and his ability to get the most from the players.

derbymiller wrote:

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I know we are told that something bad happened that meant Evans had to leave and it will come out later, but for now what I think is the club has made a decision that to keep us finacially stable we had to slow down the recruitment and cut the wage bill, Evans couldn't work under those constraints and decided to abandon us, that is no surprise to me he has no class, gets results and did great for us but no class.

They will stick with Redfearn, god help us but they will. The guy will do as told get rid of high wage earners both now and in the summer, bring in unemployed footballers and kids to reduce the wage bill by at least 25%. The crowds will fall and l1 season ticket sales will reduce revenues, we will plan to survive in l1 no more than that. 

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 A gloomy prognosis, Derby, but I suspect quite an accurate one.

derbymiller wrote:

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not really gloomy more realistic, it doesnt matter if we do that, if we have to because of financial pressures I don't have a problem league 1 midtable nice ground at least we have a club. I would like them to communicate a bit more with us though, if there are issues just say so

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 My view is that TS is a decent bloke who finds himself on the horns of a dilemma which prevents him being frank with supporters.  He may have got carried away and now realises the financial impossibility but he doesn't want to let people down.  He's looking for a Messiah but won't find one.  Life in the Championship is tough and there are plenty of other clubs who will spend big time to live the dream if we won't.

Bowery, Maguire, Ledesma and Halford all been shown the door I'm informed

I don't know where the theories come from that we have run out of money or that Tony Stewart wants us to go down. Close season Evans kept ten players from last season and said he would be adding quality to it. He was given enough money to add to that base. We didn't pay transfer fees but he added twelve players and a number of them will have cost us a fair chunk in signing fees and wages. The likes of Maguire, Halford, Ledesma, Buxton, Collins, White and Mattock will be on good money by our standards and they have added nothing to us. Absolutely nothing. We may not have had the biggest budget but Evans wasted it. Those players will now have to be bought off if we want to move them on. Tony's biggest mistake was to let Evans spend the money. He has now got to decide if he is willing or able to write all that money off and do it all again. We have no real right to expect that he will, but I can't see any logical reason at all why he would want us to go down.

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The wages of all new players fell within the clubs wage structure. The club wouldn't pay the wages of the players really wanted by Evans, players such as Martinez and Hunt.

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That has to be right Oneaday and I don't doubt it for a moment.  I think most supporters would accept that we would struggle to attract Hunt or Martinez if other clubs are in for them because we can't compete for them.  Of course we have our limits.  I don't think though that this excuses Evans for the players he did get in.   It was crying out for us to go for fewer players who specialised in a certain position instead of being versatile, and to go for players with a bit of hunger in them - maybe good players from a lower level who would have been keen to show what they could do in the Championship and who might have added value to themselves.  Take Buxton.  Nothing against the guy, but he was signed in part because he could cover centre back (Evans said), he will be on a few quid by our standards, he has been plagued by injury, and he was never going to be a player we could ever sell on due to his age.  He might have been a sound signing for someone, but not for us.  I just don't get the logic in taking him on when we had decided to retain Richardson who is identical.  And the same could be said of some of the others.  I have got no problem with the Newell signing, or Clarke-Harris, or even Bowery even though it may not pay off so I am not expecting all signings to work out well.  They don't.  But there were too many 'safe' signings who have turned out to be anything but.  Incidentally, that made the Roos signing (on loan) inexplicable.  I will never know what went on there.  GK is the one position you do want experience but it was the only position he took a gamble on without him even being our player.