got up to listen to this and this is what I heard, we were positive and dominated then the pen. Yes we won but it has to be noted that we got a pen and a sending off in odd cir***stances, we then got a last gasp winner with an own goal. These things will not happen often we have to finish our chances. Also how comes Steve realises the players true positions now? Surely he needs to know this from the off? Not having a go and I am delighted we got the points, but Steve is beginning to worry me.

Agree with that, though some fans really need their heads looking at, moan at owt, with no real constructive arguments one way or the other. I fully understand the frustration, but some of the crap coming out of millers fans(?) gobs n that second half today was ridiculous.

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We were far the better side right from the off.

11 v 11 we were swarming all over them.

11 v 10 showed that patience is a virtue and never reverted to long ball forward.

I am glad that Evans calls his critics numpties because that's what they are.

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I thought first half we were excellent and showed real attacking intent. Both Ofoe and Clarke Harris were staring and it looked likely we would be the ones to score. I don't recall Cardiff having a single shot on target. Then the incident with Derbyshire, the keepers reaction was a red card but not sure it was a penalty - very curious. Then with 30 seconds of additional time to go he evens it up by giving them a soft pen when their diver in chief, Fabio, theatrically went down in the box after Rawson put his hand on him. Don't do it because he was getting nowhere near the ball anyway!!

Second half they parked the bus hoping to hang on to their point and maybe nick a winner on the break. They slowed it down, extended every goal kick, throw in, free kick and it made for a very frustrating 45 mins. We passed it around nicely enough and kept the ball for long periods. But we lacked the change in pace that would open them up, we lacked the guile to get in behind them and we lacked the confidence to at least get shots away from the edge of the box when the space opened up - which is either down to lack of confidence or lack of quality in the side - jury is out.

But just as it was looking like we would have to settle for a very frustrating point, up pops Maguire and does what we should have been doing for most of the half, putting low hard crosses into the box and bingo! It ricochets off somebody and ends up in the net. And what justice that the paltry 3 minutes added was just long enough for us to win it and no time for Cardiff to do anything about.

-- Edited by S8Miller on Saturday 19th of September 2015 08:52:14 PM

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I thought first half we were excellent and showed real attacking intent. Both Ofoe and Clarke Harris were staring and it looked likely we would be the ones to score. I don't recall Cardiff having a single shot on target. Then the incident with Derbyshire, the keepers reaction was a red card but not sure it was a penalty - very curious. Then with 30 seconds of additional time to go he evens it up by giving them a soft pen when their diver in chief, Fabio, theatrically went down in the box after Rawson put his hand on him. Don't do it because he was getting nowhere near the ball anyway!!

Second half they parked the bus hoping to hang on to their point and maybe nick a winner on the break. They slowed it down, extended every goal kick, throw in, free kick and it made for a very frustrating 45 mins. We passed it around nicely enough and kept the ball for long periods. But we lacked the change in pace that would open them up, we lacked the guile to get in behind them and we lacked the confidence to at least get shots away from the edge of the box when the space opened up - which is either down to lack of confidence or lack of quality in the side - jury is out.

But just as it was looking like we would have to settle for a very frustrating point, up pops Maguire and does what we should have been doing for most of the half, putting low hard crosses into the box and bingo! It ricochets off somebody and ends up in the net. And what justice that the paltry 3 minutes added was just long enough for us to win it and no time for Cardiff to do anything about.

-- Edited by S8Miller on Saturday 19th of September 2015 08:52:14 PM

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 Thats about as accurate and succinct as it gets.

 

yeah, not sure about the rules re the pen. Derbyshire pulled him , but not really a foul in my opinion-its the kind of thing you see week in and week out with play allowed to continue-but with the ball in his hands the goalis kicks Derbyshire.

Cardiff fans think it should have been a free kick to them but firstly I didnt think it merited it,  but I can see how some would say otherwise, and the ref didnt see it (he only just turned in time to see the kick). so, whats the actual rule re a ball in the goalies hands (technically in play I guess) and a foul committed by said keeper. Not sure Ive ever see this before.

For example, if Derbyshire and the goalie have a fight and both get sent off what happens then?

If the ref gives the first foul its obviously not going to be a pen.

anyone?

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We had numerous chances to score in the second half: Derbyshire free header, Rawson from 2 yards out, goal mouth scramble, Newell hitting post.

Ofoe tripped their player. Not Rawson.

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 I think Ofoe grabbed his arm...happened very fast, but thats what I thought I saw.

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 Having seen the highlights on Channel 5 it was Ofoe who committed the foul and not Rawson who looked bemused to be shown the yellow.

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There wasn't a kick from their keeper. He swung his arm.

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 No, he Deffo kicked him and that's why he got sent off . 

 

Always very odd looking at tv replays v live. Some things look much easier on TV and other things look more niggling and carry no real impact at all. 

-- Edited by ian on Sunday 20th of September 2015 12:44:45 AM

Not been a critic of Evans but I will say he can dish it out but can't take it.

Football is like catchphrase ... Say what you see.

Derbyshire should have been yellowed for unsporting conduct, the ball is in the GKs control, not 'live'. There is no need for Derbyshire to do that. Marshall with his exp should know better, but his reaction is the same, yellow for unsporting behaviour, its not dangerous just handbags but under duress. The red and penalty is probably the most crazy decision we'll likely see in our favour all season.

Yes it looked much better but we need to be more ruthless in front of goal, we won from a penalty and own goal, Cardiff will and should feel very hard done by. For us a welcome 3 points, but fortune played a big part.

As we know home will be where we earn the right to stay in this league. 1 down 14 more wins to go!

As for calling fans numpties, totally disgraceful, can't have done anything else to further damage his rapidly evaporating respect from the millers faithful. When we go back to form it won't be long before the knives are truly out