People will always naturally move to places where they perceive a better life can exist, especially where globalisation had made movement & travel a tool at a cost many people including the poorest can afford. As we all know, how it is managed is wrong. The best thing for everyone would be to close the doors and have a universal system with the same rules and annual negotiated quotas, governed by said countries shortage in skills gap, the quotas for refugees is a simple equation of population versus housing availability and land per capita. But everyone needs to stop, block up their borders and work from the same page.

I really hope the people of this country vote No and see sense, migration under the EU laws is a joke and voted for by Euro MP's who don't fully read the 800 page proposals, scratch backs to vote and have not a care nor the intellect for their implications. Lets get the EU out now, lets close the doors and start working for the benefit of this country and its citizens again.

Next Saturday Britain First supporters are due to pay a visit to Rotherham. Some will be carrying spoons to stir the pot.

-- Edited by Andy Monium on Thursday 3rd of September 2015 08:26:29 PM

I was interested in a post on this topic on another site.  Predictably perhaps the OP took a contrary view to mine and basically equated people who believe in immediate unlimited acceptance of all asylum seekers with angels and those of us with reservations about the wisdom or feasibility of this as devils.  Interestingly, parallels were drawn with Britain's "historic generosity" and the nasty right-wing attitudes on display today.  I think, however, you can overstate this past generosity especially in the case referred to of Jewish migrants before WW2.

In fact the Evian Conference in 1938 put a complete stop to Jewish immigration into the UK.  An exception was eventually made for 10,000 children (the Kindertransport) but importantly none of their parents were given visas.  Equally important a White Paper of 1939 prohibited European Jews from entering Palestine.

So we have to be careful by demonising the present generation by contrast to a fabled and imaginary past generosity.

yes, but didn't the West support the Arab spring and decimate Iraq as well as destabilise Syria and Libya to name just a few. When are we going to learn to leave be? We have been partly responsible for this truly awful tragedy.

Fact is who would you rather be under Assad or IS? Assad is a very bad man but I know which I would choose, we continue to interfere and create a climate where monsters like IS or Bin Laden can flourish.

Then we think again, in what way was Assad and Hussain not contained? Why have we not invaded Zimbabwe? that's right oil. Lets not pretend that the west gives a fig for democracy and peoples rights,

Indeed, we couldn't contain Hitler so did something about it, though rather late in the piece. Basically I do not know what the answer to your valid points are. All I know is that we have made a bad situation a hell of a lot worse and NOW we have to do something with the poor sods arriving on our door step. I have to leave soon as I am playing in a masters footy tourney , but happy to continue later, maybe we can come up with some solutions.

The answer to the refugee problem is to not be too afraid.

One shouldn't exaggerate.

On the one hand many seekers are not in mortal danger. On the other hand,  however many seekers are welcomed to this country it won't make much difference to out culture, lifestyle, health system, economy and wellbeing.

The only way it can hurt is through fear.

It will all be ok with merry old England-thank goodness -and plenty of new people will have a happier life.

-- Edited by ian on Friday 4th of September 2015 11:51:56 PM

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Evian was a shameful episode in history. It is a great example of internal national politics preventing effective international action. The right thing for the world to do in 1938 was tackle the root cause of the problem (the Nazis). It failed to do so and millions died as a result. Now a new breed of maniacs are causing misery for millions and are allowed to do so, and again we see the world in the shape of the moribund UN and EU fiddling and squabbling about how to deal with the consequences. The way to solve the refugee crisis is to avoid the creation of refugees. One of the saddest lessons from history is that we fail to learn from it at all.

-- Edited by smiler on Friday 4th of September 2015 09:34:29 PM

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 Agreed but realpolitik always intervenes.