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Is it time to reclaim the real socialist agenda.

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Is there only one among us! Jeremy corbyn has risen out of obscurity a real politician not a career politician.

 

Is the NHS and social care really under significant threat for the first time?

 

Do you care?

 

What would you do if you believed the conservatives and much of the labour party, including the 3 other candidates for labour leader, we're all prepared to continue to gamble away Health and social care?

 

Would you vote corbyn and labour?

 

 

 

[video=91-year-old war veteran Harry Smith at the Labour Party Conference" on YouTube https://youtu.be/CsmIfDNeKLY]



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I would but that's me. Think this should be on OT board. :)

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Oh ****. It's late and I'm tired. Thanks in advance ex.



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We have to have clear left and right wings to politics. I agree with nearly everything of Corbyns policy statements. But he's 65 and given that we have 4 /5 yrs of the current parliament, I can only see him being there for the short term rejuvenating the proper labour element of the party. I think we have a chance of getting young people back to the ballot box which could narrow the gap down. The sooner people realise that the tories are selling all our national assets NHS especially to private companies, the better. But people will only realise when they get an invoice after seeing a doctor on an emergency appointment. By then it will be too late.

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From speaking to friends in the NHS at home it seems as if a lot of the damage has already been done.

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This whole thing has galvanized the political debate in the country. I never fail to go to vote, but for the last 3 general elections I have been writing across the middle of the balot paper, 'NONE OF THE ABOVE' No one represents my view, there are probably millions like me who do not relate to any of the present political parties and dont bother to vote. The result is the same old, same old.

Since Thatcher, British political parties have polarising to the right, courting favour with media magnates, huge global businesses and financial institutions and the result has been governments and policies that pander to the party paymasters rather than the electorate, soo much for democracy. And a big payday when politicians leave office re Blair the billionaire, Straw, Blunkett, they're all greasing their palms right now and these are the socialists, so called.

The result has seen a wholesale hoovering up of all our national assets which have fallen into private hands, many of which have found their way into portfolios of foreign interest, British institutions now owned by German, French and Middle Eastern outfits, whoes only concern is to make profit from us not to work for us.

The British electorate have become so brow beaten that there is a common belief that there is no alternative and hold up our hands and wonder what can we do about it, we see them as all the same; the only answer is more of the same and afterall its the idle and the ****less who are to blame.

The Corbyn factor has re energised the debate, that there just may be an alternative, that we dont have to pay £3bn a year to subsidise private companies, and we can ensure that more than the 1 in 4 of British companies pay their taxes, the avoidance of which costs us £70bn a year. Put a stop to the wholesale financial rape of the country and its assets, and we are looking at an alternative solution to austerity.........afterall who is it who is suffering from austerity? certainly not those who created it.

If Corbyn wins, I cant see him being the leader, the Media Barrons, and the right wing Labour Millionaires will see to that, nor can I see the Labour party winning an election for the same reason, but I do think he will have paved the way for others and I hope offer a real alternative for the country to bring back some balance in politics, give us back our country and maybe we can have a fair and just society again.



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I'm neither left or right. The whole capitalism system stinks. When you get down to it we're still primitive relying on the value of money and rare metals and black stuff to decipher who has got what. Right now we've invented some super things, but give a monkey a cell phone and he'll play with the camera, he'll scratch his ass with it, might lob it at other monkey's that **** him off, but in the end he's gonna call that 0898 number and someone will have to pay (& it won't be him / her)!

I was taught in economics years ago a govt's primary function is to protect its people from private mega companies, it seems these days they're now so powerful the govt's can do nothing about it but kneel down before them and let them call the shots.

In 500yrs I'm sure we'll have solved it, but they'll look back at us in awe at how badly we could manage ourselves and our resources despite being able to put a vehicle on mars, create super computers and have all these fantastic green initiatives but nobody being able to afford them.

Its 2015. We are a 'developed' society yet a working family can barely make ends meet, it wasn't so much an issue 50yrs ago, lots and lots of people with 1 full and 1 part time parent could afford their own home with cash to spare. Now most cannot, something has gone seriously wrong, and I don't believe its by accident

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This whole thing has galvanized the political debate in the country. I never fail to go to vote, but for the last 3 general elections I have been writing across the middle of the balot paper, 'NONE OF THE ABOVE' No one represents my view, there are probably millions like me who do not relate to any of the present political parties and dont bother to vote. The result is the same old, same old.

Since Thatcher, British political parties have polarising to the right, courting favour with media magnates, huge global businesses and financial institutions and the result has been governments and policies that pander to the party paymasters rather than the electorate, soo much for democracy. And a big payday when politicians leave office re Blair the billionaire, Straw, Blunkett, they're all greasing their palms right now and these are the socialists, so called.

The result has seen a wholesale hoovering up of all our national assets which have fallen into private hands, many of which have found their way into portfolios of foreign interest, British institutions now owned by German, French and Middle Eastern outfits, whoes only concern is to make profit from us not to work for us.

The British electorate have become so brow beaten that there is a common belief that there is no alternative and hold up our hands and wonder what can we do about it, we see them as all the same; the only answer is more of the same and afterall its the idle and the ****less who are to blame.

The Corbyn factor has re energised the debate, that there just may be an alternative, that we dont have to pay £3bn a year to subsidise private companies, and we can ensure that more than the 1 in 4 of British companies pay their taxes, the avoidance of which costs us £70bn a year. Put a stop to the wholesale financial rape of the country and its assets, and we are looking at an alternative solution to austerity.........afterall who is it who is suffering from austerity? certainly not those who created it.

If Corbyn wins, I cant see him being the leader, the Media Barrons, and the right wing Labour Millionaires will see to that, nor can I see the Labour party winning an election for the same reason, but I do think he will have paved the way for others and I hope offer a real alternative for the country to bring back some balance in politics, give us back our country and maybe we can have a fair and just society again.


 Wholeheartedly agree with that fella, great post reflecting my views almost exactly.



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The whole point of capitalism is you have to make a profit every year or your deemed a failure. Hence the greedy bum holes that caused this all in the first place chased the dragon. And the real people who on their knees just get hammered time and time again. Fairness and equality are key constituents of society as a whole. But while labour voters don't vote and tories do then they are going to get in. Where us Farage now eh!!!! Fascist bar steward same as the tories. We have to stop the ethnic cleansing of London. We have to stop the tories full stop !!!

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The level of debate on here is so far above another board it's unreal.

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Middle class uk will never accept the ideas of Corbyn although personally I agree with most of his stuff.

Thatchers children have been brought up with 'self' and will not return to principled voting which is a shame.

Student rioting has had its day which is a shame as it can help to shape the world although those same rioters have been wearing pinstripes for the last 35 years and enjoying coke and hookers.

I will vote labour as I always have done simply because I could never bring myself to vote Tory.

I don't mind enjoying coke and hookers but you won't catch me voting for it.

On the NHS, Joe Public seem to have no idea that the NHS is being privatised by stealth and is quietly being sold off..well they should do..they should have made it their business but they have been too busy enjoying their middle classness.

Corbyn is a breath of fresh air but at the same time is a disaster to any hopes of Labour getting back into power.



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