lets not start picking on new posters.....I am sure that IBS does not mind which section this goes in.
People are discussing this as if its a major issue and some comments are a little personal.
Personally I would put it in off topic but dont really care that much as I would read it anyway.
Lets not have people dictating the topics to match up with their individual preferences.
Join in with what you want and sit out the others....not that difficult surely.
I've no personal issues with anyone, but this is the football side of this site, sticking an ateist/religion post in and placing the name Rotherham United in the title doesn't make it a football topic, you know that, IBS knows that, we all know that, stop the bull and send it O/T, in there, people can debate as much as they want.
I am truly sorry Kempo that you don't understand me as a poster on this site. I bow down to someone who obviously regards himself as intellectually superior to most of us who post on this site. You are obviously happy to tell us on a regular basis of your medical qualifications which by the way I regard as having nothing to do with intellect. We could all boast about our qualifications but some of us usually choose not to do so. But just for once I will break my unwritten rule, I taught law for thirty years and was a Judge for seventeen years albeit in the Employment field. Intellectually I regard that this means nothing. I post on Miller's Banter because I am a life long Miller's Fan. I am quite prepared to debate evolution v creationism with anyone, including you just not on Miller's Banter. I am sure that you are a quite nice guy Kempo and I look forward to meeting you at some time, because I am sure that we have more in common than what could ever divide us. After all we are both Miller's.
I never speak about my medical qualifications so you are mistaken.
I have never thought that being a doctor is related to intellect so you are mistaken.
I am unclear as to why you have made such a personal attack on me.
Are you on the wrong site or had a bad day.....Which post do you disagree with?
I am surprised that you were a judge simply because you have misinterpreted the evidence for instance, when have I been bragging about my medical qualifications?
That's the last I am posting about your most unpleasant attack unless you feel the need to apologise and then I will post an acceptance.
Hi Kempo you are perfectly correct it is not you but other posters who have talked about your qualifications or doubted them.
Your right I have had a very bad day having received some terrible news about a close friend.On reflection I have posted the type of invective that caused me to stop posting on the Millersmad site and for that I humbly apologise. It is bad form from me to hit out at others just because I am feeling down. Please forgive me fo what was an insensitive post.
I genuinely find the immense power of childhood religious indoctrination quite fascinating. I know a lot of otherwise intelligent, logical and analytically astute professionals that under normal cir***stances you would imagine would dismiss out of hand any position that is solely based on faith. Truly is a paradox.
I agree S8, and I do feel this is a debatable subject. Yes IBS dropped a line but what is wrong with that? But if folk are going to expouse the viewpoint of intelligent design then they are to expect a critiuque of that belief, belief does not equate to truth. While evolution is a theory (like a lot of science) it is one that has a huge amount of evidence to suggest that in all proability it is correct. Intellignet design has next to no evidence except an ancient Jewish text. As someone who belives in rational debate we can only change our mind about evolution if the evidence changes, in other words by producing better science. I am quite happy for people to beleive what they wish, but lets not get confused with science, rational arguement and fairies at the bottom of the garden.
As the great and late Christopher Hitchens said 'what can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence'.
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I genuinely find the immense power of childhood religious indoctrination quite fascinating. I know a lot of otherwise intelligent, logical and analytically astute professionals that under normal cir***stances you would imagine would dismiss out of hand any position that is solely based on faith. Truly is a paradox.
Of course it's not specific to religion but all things learnt in childhood remain forever a positive or negative shadow or real life force in us. Religious socialisation is no more or less powerful than gender identity, social identity, educational indoctrination. They all control our behaviour and truly standing apart from those things 'given ' to us to examine the veracity of their truthfulness and usefulness is a life long process that hardly anyone accomplishes.
Hi Kempo you are perfectly correct it is not you but other posters who have talked about your qualifications or doubted them. Your right I have had a very bad day having received some terrible news about a close friend.On reflection I have posted the type of invective that caused me to stop posting on the Millersmad site and for that I humbly apologise. It is bad form from me to hit out at others just because I am feeling down. Please forgive me fo what was an insensitive post.
Sorry to hear you are having a bad time.
Much respect also.
And to kempo.
Makes my heart glad and the world a slightly better place to see such honesty and gentleness.
It's quite interesting to see people banging on about creation/intelligent design etc when that is not the issue I wished to address.
If people want to believe in no design and no creator and that an explosion in an ink factory can produce the Oxford English dictionary then fine. But that's not the issue.
Let's be honest, most people don't believe in God because they want to pursue there own selfish desires. I did for years. Be warned it is the road to ruin.
There is also a reference to childhood indoctrination of religious beliefs. I actually became a Christian in my late 30's.
But let's return to the issue.
I went to the match with fellow Christians. None of them were whinging like spoilt brats or heaping abuse on the team. All behaved impeccably and supported the team. Did you see any Christians at the match crying like babies. Be honest.
well of course I wasn't there, but seriously I know you really don't believe that if you are not a Christian then you are a brute. I am not and I am not. I have given my life to the health service and worked as an aid worker In Sierra Leone at the height of the war, so hardly the most selfish person in the world. Though had to admit I do get satisfaction from it. Anyway glad you are here IBS, long may it continue.
Actually Christianity is more about accepting that you are a brute, not denying it.
Most atheists think the church is for goody goodies. It's actually for people who realise that they are not and are lustful, violent deceitful sinners. That's when the work begins.
Not violent, occasionally lustful, not sure about sin as it is a very subjective concept. Very happy to be intellectually independent free from an all controlling supreme being.
To Kempo and Ian, thank you for your kind words. Unfortunately I lost one of my dear friends last night.It brought home to me how life can be snuffed out in the blink of an eye. He had a fall on Thursday morning and hit his head, by 10.00 o clock on Thursday evening he had died from a brain haemorrhage. Like me he was a life long Miller for over 60 years. I will spare a fond thought for him while I am at QPR on Saturday and give an extra shout of encouragement to the lads on his behalf.
