I think "cheating" maybe a little harsh? The officials are only human and make mistakes, granted, it does for some reason seem to usually go in favour of the bigger teams. It will unfortunately happen again and again this season, how do you stop it is he question that needs to be answered.
I think "cheating" maybe a little harsh? The officials are only human and make mistakes, granted, it does for some reason seem to usually go in favour of the bigger teams. It will unfortunately happen again and again this season, how do you stop it is he question that needs to be answered.
I agree with Archie that "cheating" would only be applicable if there was some deliberate involvement or collusion by officials and Liverpool players. That said it was a very poor decision and it looks like we could have another season like last when crucial decisions were got wrong repeatedly.
We have such sophisticated technology now that the 4th official can get an instant view of a contentious situation from all angles. A 'correct' judgment can be made within seconds and can just about rule out human error from unsighted or bias referees.
Ordinarily I would not advocate such a system, but its no longer a 'sport' as such, more like big business with millions of ££££ at stake. Where you get that sort of money, your going to get corruption, from as far up as FIFA to players diving and cheating on the pitch and perhaps even refs, seeing somethings, but not others !!!!!!!
Instant replays flashed up on screens for all to see, surely have to be the answer when we are getting to the stage where officials and players in some quarters can mould or influence a game through unsporting behaviour. A sad reflection of the modern game perhaps, but these things are happening all too often now, and surely have to be countered.
A major factor in this kind of thing at every level....referee's arrogance...referees are. by default it seems, almost always arrogant, officious types, and the higher they get, the moreso. This leads to them making decisions because they can, not because of any rule, they're kind of mini despots, allied to this, the other side of a character like that is a vulnerability, hence the 'homer' refs, who are eager to please.
By the way, the whole English football organisation is ran, by and large, by ex referees, from the Rotherham F.A. to the national F.A. It's no wonder it's n a state.
The problem is that football evolved as a game and the role of referees evolved with it. Initially, gentlemen captains sorted out decisions by themselves; this was followed by having two umpires, 1 per side, who, if they could not agree "referred" decisions to a third official.
Although technology may help the basic problem resides in the dishonesty of players and managers. Golf and snooker would be in the same boat as football if the players did not honestly regulate themselves. Money and prestige cannot be the sole explanation as there are instances of golfers denying themselves Major championships by holding their hands up to rule infringements.
What we need is for fans and owners to make it absolutely clear that they will not accept cheating even where it advantages their team. The Liverpool team should have done what Arsenal did once and let Bournemouth score an equaliser.
Don't agree RK, in any professional sport, fair refereeing is essential to maintain it's integrity, it's not up to player's to determine offside, i agree they can police themselves to a certain amount in certain ci***stances. Snooker has it's cheats, as does golf, wherever you have monetary prizes then you'll get that.
Don't agree RK, in any professional sport, fair refereeing is essential to maintain it's integrity, it's not up to player's to determine offside, i agree they can police themselves to a certain amount in certain ci***stances. Snooker has it's cheats, as does golf, wherever you have monetary prizes then you'll get that.
I completely agree with the need for "fair refereeing" but the point I'm making is that cheating by players is becoming institutionalised to the point where refs can't cope. Whether technology can replace integrity remains to be seen.
I can't agree with your comment regarding snooker and golf. The only instances of cheating in snooker involved betting scams and I know of only 3 suspected scams in the last 30 years, when proven the player was given a lifetime ban. I have followed golf closely since the early 60s and cannot bring to mind a single instance of cheating in the professional game.
Need video TMO style, it adds to the atmosphere, 2 challenge options, from the captains/manager maybe.
Who can remember last season at Blackburn, the Ref couldnt count 10 yards for the free kick, we even counted it out for him and he still got it wrong. he stopped at 8 !!!!
Football is corrupt anyway, we have seen this with Fifa, but the only way it can keep its semi-integrity is to have clarity on decisions, last nights decision was incorrct the goal should not have stood, same as the goal which Bournemouth scored should have stood and they would be off and running.
I do think there is an agenda with SE, his previous doesn't help, and his antics on the touchline with Raynor leave a lot to be desired, i know its highly charged but look at Eddie Howe last night, dignified and moves on, with SE we get a week of snippets about how this and how that, the only way to rectify it all is get the defence sorted, score goals and win matches, go down dying if you cant win.
Need video TMO style, it adds to the atmosphere, 2 challenge options, from the captains/manager maybe.
Who can remember last season at Blackburn, the Ref couldnt count 10 yards for the free kick, we even counted it out for him and he still got it wrong. he stopped at 8 !!!!
Football is corrupt anyway, we have seen this with Fifa, but the only way it can keep its semi-integrity is to have clarity on decisions, last nights decision was incorrct the goal should not have stood, same as the goal which Bournemouth scored should have stood and they would be off and running.
I do think there is an agenda with SE, his previous doesn't help, and his antics on the touchline with Raynor leave a lot to be desired, i know its highly charged but look at Eddie Howe last night, dignified and moves on, with SE we get a week of snippets about how this and how that, the only way to rectify it all is get the defence sorted, score goals and win matches, go down dying if you cant win.
UTM.
I kind of agree about the video evidence, but guess what, that costs money, and guess who'll end up paying...as for your example at Blackburn, that is exactly what i mean about ref's arrogance, he knew exactly what he was doing, he did that on purpose, shameful
I've been saying for a long time Evans needs to leave the refs alone , it's no wonder we don't get many 50/50S going our way . If I was getting screamed at and berated for every decision by a manager I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be getting the rub of the green on any decision that could go either way .
its human nature to do that not corrupt referees , bad refereeing defiantly and we have had plenty of those down at New York .
I've been saying for a long time Evans needs to leave the refs alone , it's no wonder we don't get many 50/50S going our way . If I was getting screamed at and berated for every decision by a manager I'm pretty sure he wouldn't be getting the rub of the green on any decision that could go either way .
its human nature to do that not corrupt referees , bad refereeing defiantly and we have had plenty of those down at New York .
Well I'd agree human nature is like that, and thats what makes us fallible, and I'd love to see self regulation, I'd also like to see sportsmanship and for want of a better word 'gentlemanly' conduct.
If that was the case, we'd know that a 'dodgy' decision was the result of genuine human error and I think we would all accept and respect decisions regardless, and debate it, in some cases years to come, i.e England's goal in the 1966 World Cup Final.
But I think that all that is wishful thinking. The game has gone too far, you can even see it on school football pitches now. Gamesmanship instead of sportsmanship has become the accepted norm, and in my view the only way that we can be assured of correct behavior and decision making is through the use of technology, even if decisions were made retrospectively, which we already have when red cards are rescinded and clubs are deducted points for example fielding an ineligible players, but even then some of the punishments dont seem to be fair in comparison.
On the spot technology and its transparency has to be the only way in my view. The Prem clubs can afford it and many of the Championship clubs, so I'd be inclined to trial it with the Prem first.
Hadnt heard any of this and just watched 8 minutes of highlights. I agree the Liverpool goal was a wrong decision but Im surprised at the strength of reaction.
